Admiral Beez
Superstar
How we possibly need 1/2 a million newcomers every year? Was Canada truly in the sh#thole when I arrived in the 1970s and we had 20 odd million?
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Brands
Active Member
Let's see, if/when inflation/interest rates/ comes down. The Liberals problems are all traced to the Bank of Canada.
Northern Light
Superstar
The problem is not the 500,000.........
Its the million and a 1/2 (or more) on top of that
We're looking at 500,000+ TFWs this year and close to 1M Foreign Students, add that to the ~450,000 economic class immigrants and a few refugees for good measure.........
Its all but certain we'll top growth of 2,000,000 this year
* The Stats. Can population clock says we've added ~1M this year on pace for ~1.3M; I suspect this is a low-ball number.
kEiThZ
Superstar
Coming from a government 8 years into its term, this is borderline gaslighting.
www.toronto.com
Investors react to incentives. If he thought investors were to blame for housing, why didn't his government fix it earlier?
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau blames investors for ‘commodification’ of housing
The prime minister listed population, economic growth and lack of supply as other factors contributing to the ongoing housing crisis
Investors react to incentives. If he thought investors were to blame for housing, why didn't his government fix it earlier?
gabe
Senior Member
Well, Quebec is doing it. Should be required for the rest of Canada for English. if i went to a non english speaking country, i would make the effort to learn the language.There are so many ESL classes available, there is no excuse why people can't learn the language.
Legault also announced that all economic immigrants, who are chosen by Quebec, not Ottawa, would be forced to pass a French test before they can arrive in the province.
The government will also begin requiring all temporary foreign workers -- except those who work on farms -- to pass a French test if they want to stay in the province longer than three years, he said.
"The message will be very clear, for both students and workers in the future, if you want to come to Quebec for more than three years, if you want to be received as a permanent immigrant, you have to speak French," Legault said.
Quebec to welcome about 60K immigrants in 2024, impose French requirement for workers
Quebec Premier François Legault announced on Wednesday that his government's immigration target in 2024 would be about 50,000 newcomers, about the same as this year.
Towered
Senior Member
So Canada's population is likely sitting around 42 million now then already??
wopchop
Building Toronto
This thing about language is hilarious. People are talking here like this is a new phenomenon. News flash guys, this has been going on for decades, with every immigrant group you can think of.
My grandparents on both sides all immigrated to Canada with my parents. All four of them lived here for 40-60 years. All of them worked here for years and all of them spoke almost no English at all.
And this was not uncommon. I still have elderly relatives that speak Portuguese almost exclusively.
Is this good? Maybe not. But let's be honest here and not pretend that this is some new problem because of all the "Raj, Singh and Kaur"s we are letting in as someone mentioned earlier.
Regarding immigration now, a language test is already a requirement for skilled immigrants and students as part of the application. The testing is done by companies that are accredited by third party agencies, which I suppose could cause issues if that is not monitored properly. Link: https://ircc.canada.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=638&top=6
Refugees obviously aren't required to pass a language test. TFWs I don't believe need to submit accredited language test. I believe their language skills get evaluated by the immigration officers for the program. What is important here is that the officers will decide whether their language skills are adequate for their job - not necessarily if they are enough to survive in society.
My grandparents on both sides all immigrated to Canada with my parents. All four of them lived here for 40-60 years. All of them worked here for years and all of them spoke almost no English at all.
And this was not uncommon. I still have elderly relatives that speak Portuguese almost exclusively.
Is this good? Maybe not. But let's be honest here and not pretend that this is some new problem because of all the "Raj, Singh and Kaur"s we are letting in as someone mentioned earlier.
Regarding immigration now, a language test is already a requirement for skilled immigrants and students as part of the application. The testing is done by companies that are accredited by third party agencies, which I suppose could cause issues if that is not monitored properly. Link: https://ircc.canada.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=638&top=6
Refugees obviously aren't required to pass a language test. TFWs I don't believe need to submit accredited language test. I believe their language skills get evaluated by the immigration officers for the program. What is important here is that the officers will decide whether their language skills are adequate for their job - not necessarily if they are enough to survive in society.
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Northern Light
Superstar
I don't have an exact number; but if you look at the raw stats; I think you have to assume we've crested 41M...............
kEiThZ
Superstar
This interview. I can't believe the arrogance. Especially as they make swiss cheese of the carbon tax whole favouring their voters.
kEiThZ
Superstar
We should remember that the immigration system serves Canadian needs not those of immigrants. And I say this as an immigrant. So as those needs evolve, so should the system. A country struggling with healthcare may have to reconsider taking in older and less productive migrants.
Fraud is unfortunately rampant. It's pretty easy to get a faked TOEFL test certificate. This is not usually an issue for economic migrants, because immigration officers screen them. It's more problematic for TFWs, students (who basically get admitted on falsified credentials), etc.
wopchop
Building Toronto
I'm not trying to defend the system per se. But there is a lot of outrage going on - almost verging on a dog whistle. People are pretending as if suddenly we have lowered our standards on this requirement (English), when in reality it has been an issue for decades for every immigrant group that has come to this country.
When I mentioned my grandparents, they did not immigrant here as 'seniors'. They immigrated as adults with young children, and all worked and paid taxes here for many years.
This would not surprise me at all.
But again, as I said, we do have language requirements for immigrants. It is just seemingly not working properly.
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Northern Light
Superstar
I think we need to clarify here.
There is no widespread problem with language requirements for Economic-Class immigrants. This is the primary, official stream of immigrants nominally applying for PR/Citizenship.
The issues are in the TFW and Foreign Student streams.
Neither of these categories was material in its scale in the 1950s-1980s; and the latter only became substantial in 2010s.
This is an issue that did not exist in the same way before.
Important to also state, that if you're coming in as a foreign student, nominally, to study in English-language schools; your language skills are of greater consequence that if you enter as a skilled trades person who may be able to operate in your mother tongue.
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Let me now add, the language requirements for immigrants (as we think of them today) really only came in with the points system.
That system was introduced in 1967.
kEiThZ
Superstar
The LPC really is clueless if they believe they can fight an election on the carbon tax and win in this political environment.
www.ctvnews.ca
I am convinced that nobody inside that party talks to regular people.
Poilievre wants a 'carbon tax election,' Liberals say bring it on
Amid a week of heavy political scrutiny over Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's exclusive carbon-price carve-out for home heating oil, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is pushing for 'a carbon tax election.' Speaking to his caucus, he called on Trudeau to pause the carbon tax on all home...
I am convinced that nobody inside that party talks to regular people.
Richard White
Senior Member
The LPC really is clueless if they believe they can fight an election on the carbon tax and win in this political environment.
Poilievre wants a 'carbon tax election,' Liberals say bring it on
Amid a week of heavy political scrutiny over Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's exclusive carbon-price carve-out for home heating oil, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is pushing for 'a carbon tax election.' Speaking to his caucus, he called on Trudeau to pause the carbon tax on all home...
I am convinced that nobody inside that party talks to regular people.
I wonder what the chances are of a non-confidence motion before June.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
None, imo. Singh can‘t be seen cooperating with the far right Cons. These are not Mulroney or even Harper cons.