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nohostages
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It was a good read. Think he wrote two different pieces for either outcome?
Yaitsme
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Oh yeah of course. I was only going by listening to the breaking news on 680. Stunning that this kind of things can take up 15 minutes of airtime.
JGHali
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Neurologists are not surgeons. I can't imagine why one would be in the OR with RF.
However, the tumour probably involves the ureter based on (read-between-the-lines-speculation) where it is. Carol Swallow is an "aggressive" surgical oncologist. Did they mention who the other surgeons were?
Now let's review Rob Ford's likely pre-op assessment, based on previous statements:
Anesthetic concerns:
Morbid obesity
- likely difficult to ventilate, potential difficult airway, likely little reserve post-induction
Reflux
- risk of aspiration
"Asthma"
- risk of reactive airway (laryngospasm, bronchospasm), hypoxemia, difficulty weaning from vent
Malignancy
- hyper-coagulable state, risk of VTE
Substance abuse
- current EtOH?
- possible tolerance of some anesthetics, sedatives, narcotics
- post-op pain management
Surgical concerns:
Usual risk of infection, bleeding, damage to adjacent structures (bowel, ureter)
Specific complications:
Need for bowel resection
- Possibility of anastomotic leak
Need for colostomy and/or ileostomy
Need for ureteric stent
Wound dehiscence
Post-op:
Wound infection
Abscess
Deep vein thrombosis/Pulmonary embolism
Need for return to OR
However, the tumour probably involves the ureter based on (read-between-the-lines-speculation) where it is. Carol Swallow is an "aggressive" surgical oncologist. Did they mention who the other surgeons were?
Now let's review Rob Ford's likely pre-op assessment, based on previous statements:
Anesthetic concerns:
Morbid obesity
- likely difficult to ventilate, potential difficult airway, likely little reserve post-induction
Reflux
- risk of aspiration
"Asthma"
- risk of reactive airway (laryngospasm, bronchospasm), hypoxemia, difficulty weaning from vent
Malignancy
- hyper-coagulable state, risk of VTE
Substance abuse
- current EtOH?
- possible tolerance of some anesthetics, sedatives, narcotics
- post-op pain management
Surgical concerns:
Usual risk of infection, bleeding, damage to adjacent structures (bowel, ureter)
Specific complications:
Need for bowel resection
- Possibility of anastomotic leak
Need for colostomy and/or ileostomy
Need for ureteric stent
Wound dehiscence
Post-op:
Wound infection
Abscess
Deep vein thrombosis/Pulmonary embolism
Need for return to OR
Videodrome
Senior Member
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/04/02/rob-ford-wants-brother-doug-to-fill-in-for-him-on-council
TORONTO - Just call it the Ford swap.
He stepped in for him when his brother couldn’t run for re-election as mayor, and now Doug Ford may be asked to do it again while Councillor Rob Ford takes sick leave for major surgery next month.
Worried about being out of commission for at least four months following surgery on his tumour, Rob Ford says he is pursuing the idea of having city council temporarily appoint his brother as Ward 2 councillor until he is ready to come back.
“I am going to ask the city manager about it to see if it is possible,” he told the Toronto Sun Thursday. “But I really wont be able to do much after May 11th until September and the constituents need service.”
Doug, he said, is perfect since he just spent four years as the Ward 2 councillor while Rob Ford was serving as mayor.
“He knows the ward and knows the city,” said Rob. “He is also the only one I can trust.”
The questions arose after his health update news conference outside of Mount Sinai Hospital when Doug Ford said he would “take care of” Ward 2 constituents while Rob is healing. It’s unclear in the Municipal Act if Doug Ford would be legally permitted to take care of an elected councillor’s constituents or if an exception could be made to allow him to fill in.
But Councillor Giorgio Mammoliti said he will “spearhead” the idea since “when I was off in 2013 for almost a year because of brain surgery, not very much got done in Ward 7 and that was not fair to the constituents.”
Doug Ford said he “would be honoured” to do it on his brother’s behalf and the “great people” of Ward 2. However, he said, he was not sure about the rules.
“It might mean council would have to have Rob step down temporarily, appoint me for the short term, and then re-appoint him once he is better,” Doug said Thursday night.
Toronto Sun City Hall bureau chief Don “Pistol” Peat tells me the previous council filled three vacant seats with temporary appointments — Peter Leon to take over Doug Holyday’s seat, Ceta Ramkhalawansingh to replace Adam Vaughan, and James Maloney to replace Peter Milczyn.
Mammoliti says there should be a precedent set that would not force Ford from having to resign his seat.
Rob Ford said the important thing is the constituents.
“We need to keep our eye on every dime,” he said. “Doug does that very well.” Not only would the constituents be OK with it, he added, but so would some members of council.
“I had a few say to me that Doug should do it because they did not want to see me doing calls when I am supposed to be recovering,” he said.
Speaking of council, the former mayor said he was “touched” by the “outpouring” of support he received Thursday when returning from the medical appointment that confirmed he will have surgery May 11 to remove a cancerous tumour.
“I really thought a lot of people on council hated me and I guess some do politically. They are good people. I mean, I don’t get along politically with Joe Mihevc or John Filion but they are good guys. That said, I teased them that while they have me under during the surgery, maybe they would put in even more anaesthesia.” Needless to say, Rob Ford was in a good mood on the eve of the Easter weekend.
“I feel like I have a million pounds lifted off my shoulders,” he said. “I am glad the tumour shrunk enough for them to give me a shot.” He admits, though, that when he was walking to the scrum of reporters, he was sombre and emotional.
“I know this operation is very serious,” he said.
One of his concerns, and the reason for any grimace he may have had, is the possibility that when they do open up his abdominal area, cancer cells could spread.
“I was told that but there are four doctors and they are going to work quickly,” he said. “I really don’t have a choice. It is either have the surgery or die.”
He asked to thank all the people who have been rooting for him.
“I plan to be back and serve the people,” he said.
In the meantime, Ford said he’s hopeful there is a way to allow the previous elected councillor in Ward 2, his brother, to sit in his council chair while he heals.
Kind of a rent-a-Ford.
TORONTO - Just call it the Ford swap.
He stepped in for him when his brother couldn’t run for re-election as mayor, and now Doug Ford may be asked to do it again while Councillor Rob Ford takes sick leave for major surgery next month.
Worried about being out of commission for at least four months following surgery on his tumour, Rob Ford says he is pursuing the idea of having city council temporarily appoint his brother as Ward 2 councillor until he is ready to come back.
“I am going to ask the city manager about it to see if it is possible,” he told the Toronto Sun Thursday. “But I really wont be able to do much after May 11th until September and the constituents need service.”
Doug, he said, is perfect since he just spent four years as the Ward 2 councillor while Rob Ford was serving as mayor.
“He knows the ward and knows the city,” said Rob. “He is also the only one I can trust.”
The questions arose after his health update news conference outside of Mount Sinai Hospital when Doug Ford said he would “take care of” Ward 2 constituents while Rob is healing. It’s unclear in the Municipal Act if Doug Ford would be legally permitted to take care of an elected councillor’s constituents or if an exception could be made to allow him to fill in.
But Councillor Giorgio Mammoliti said he will “spearhead” the idea since “when I was off in 2013 for almost a year because of brain surgery, not very much got done in Ward 7 and that was not fair to the constituents.”
Doug Ford said he “would be honoured” to do it on his brother’s behalf and the “great people” of Ward 2. However, he said, he was not sure about the rules.
“It might mean council would have to have Rob step down temporarily, appoint me for the short term, and then re-appoint him once he is better,” Doug said Thursday night.
Toronto Sun City Hall bureau chief Don “Pistol” Peat tells me the previous council filled three vacant seats with temporary appointments — Peter Leon to take over Doug Holyday’s seat, Ceta Ramkhalawansingh to replace Adam Vaughan, and James Maloney to replace Peter Milczyn.
Mammoliti says there should be a precedent set that would not force Ford from having to resign his seat.
Rob Ford said the important thing is the constituents.
“We need to keep our eye on every dime,” he said. “Doug does that very well.” Not only would the constituents be OK with it, he added, but so would some members of council.
“I had a few say to me that Doug should do it because they did not want to see me doing calls when I am supposed to be recovering,” he said.
Speaking of council, the former mayor said he was “touched” by the “outpouring” of support he received Thursday when returning from the medical appointment that confirmed he will have surgery May 11 to remove a cancerous tumour.
“I really thought a lot of people on council hated me and I guess some do politically. They are good people. I mean, I don’t get along politically with Joe Mihevc or John Filion but they are good guys. That said, I teased them that while they have me under during the surgery, maybe they would put in even more anaesthesia.” Needless to say, Rob Ford was in a good mood on the eve of the Easter weekend.
“I feel like I have a million pounds lifted off my shoulders,” he said. “I am glad the tumour shrunk enough for them to give me a shot.” He admits, though, that when he was walking to the scrum of reporters, he was sombre and emotional.
“I know this operation is very serious,” he said.
One of his concerns, and the reason for any grimace he may have had, is the possibility that when they do open up his abdominal area, cancer cells could spread.
“I was told that but there are four doctors and they are going to work quickly,” he said. “I really don’t have a choice. It is either have the surgery or die.”
He asked to thank all the people who have been rooting for him.
“I plan to be back and serve the people,” he said.
In the meantime, Ford said he’s hopeful there is a way to allow the previous elected councillor in Ward 2, his brother, to sit in his council chair while he heals.
Kind of a rent-a-Ford.
kbdid
Senior Member
is this an April Fool's joke one-day late? wtf is wrong with the Fords?
Videodrome
Senior Member
Well, if this was even considered, council would have to approve it and they wouldn't. Plus, Moeser and Mammo were away for a long time and no one stepped in for them. Usually, there are temps when someone runs for another office, like Adam Vaughan. It isn't like Ward 2 has any representation as it is...
Council is quite pro-Tory now too, so if he opposed it, others would.
Council is quite pro-Tory now too, so if he opposed it, others would.
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sweetlou
Active Member
The very idea of Doug stepping in to Ward 2 - a ward he almost entirely ignored for four years, with the exception of a few favours and other flim-flam for more affluent constituents - makes me want to bloody scream. However, should that come to pass, would there be two salaries paid out to the Twin Councillors?
Videodrome
Senior Member
Worms also suggested that Rob be a deputy mayor and we know how quickly that got squashed.
sweetlou
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lauraarmy
As for Mt. Sinai's position, there is no official announcement coming from the hospital today.
15-04-02 1:36 PM
annhui
A hospital spokesperson said they don't have anything official planned, which means update will likely happen right here, on the street
15-04-02 1:38 PM
CBCharlsie
I have spoken to staff at Mt Sinai who say no doctors from Ford's medical team will speak to the media today. #CBCTO
15-04-02 1:54 PM
goldsbie
In the past, the hospital set up a room for formal briefings to the press. This is more ad hoc, arranged by Doug, so we're on the street.
15-04-02 2:12 PM
ETA: Not today and not any other day, I hope. I imagine they regret ever having got sucked into doing so. If they failed to figure out the first time that it was disrespectful to the 100s of other people who face similar situations every day then they surely must have figured that out since.
I love the way MSH has handled the Ford cancerpalooza. One succinct news conference at the outset and then radio silence. Stayed right out of the three ring circus - nothing to be gained by getting suckered in except for wasting a shedload of busy and talented people's time.
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Lamport Davenport
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This has come up before, Lou: Genuine Ford Replacement Parts are interchangeable.
Rob may be under a service contract, as well.
JWBF
Senior Member
More rent-a-wreck but that name is already taken not that the Fords would care. Question is if it can be done.
A service contract to Mammon.
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Cooper
Senior Member
I have a question, JG. Rob said earlier his doctors wanted his tumor to shrink to two centimetres, or thereabouts, before going ahead with surgery. He described his tumor as much larger today. Allowing for the fact that Rob is not articulate, any thoughts on why the story has changed? My guess is that with the larger tumor, Rob's doctors have less of a chance for full resection with wide margins than they do with a smaller tumor. Still, it's better to go in with lower odds than to leave it alone, which only has one outcome. Does sound like a reasonable interpretation?
animatronic
Senior Member
They already have a process for looking after the ward while councillor is out - the councillor's executive assistant runs the constituency office just like they were hired to do. The only thing Worms has shown is that it is possible to know even less about municipal governance than the Fords.
Lamport Davenport
Active Member
Is there anything to stop Rob from hiring Doug as his Executive Assistant? As Dan's replacement, perhaps?
Worse than blackflies, this here Doug dude...
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