[Wrenkin]

It's not that bad. The same assumptions give an over three minute transfer at Bloor. Which is perhaps correct if you're walking slowly and going from mid-platform to mid-platform. However, I tend to board the train at an appropriate place for my transfer and am willing to get on the end car of the train at Bloor (especially with the new trains) so it's more like 35-45 seconds really. Regular riders on the Eglinton line will develop their own tactics to cut the transfer time.

 

[W. K. Lis]

This may not be as bad as it seems. I think they're including off peak times in this average. I find it really hard to believe that transfers will take 3.5 minutes at Eglinton-Yonge Station during peak times, when trains are running ~90 seconds apart.

You're correct. As an interchange station, Eglinton-Yonge is still close, compared to other interchange stations around the world. Here in Toronto, the Spadina interchange station transfer between the 1 and 2 lines are l-o-n-g, but not as long as other world interchange stations.

Ideally, cross-platform interchange stations are what I like the best. However, that would involve tunnelling loops and curves to do so. Too much gravy to accommodate transit users only.

 

[Red October]

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...estimate_time_for_transfers_on_crosstown.html

That's nothing. Try transferring from the Jubilee Line to the Hammersmith & City Line at Baker Street station. That's a cardio workout right there.

 

[Hipster Duck]

Ideally, cross-platform interchange stations are what I like the best. However, that would involve tunnelling loops and curves to do so. Too much gravy to accommodate transit users only.

How could you possibly build a cross-platform transfer at Eglinton-Yonge? The two lines meet each other perpendicularly.

In order to build a X-platform transfer, you'd have to bend either the Yonge line or the Eglinton-Crosstown, or both, into an elongated S with huge curve radiuses. Basically it would be an extra $1 billion and an 8 year construction nightmare to save people from the "hassle" of walking for 1 minute and using an escalator.

 

[timio]

That's nothing. Try transferring from the Jubilee Line to the Hammersmith & City Line at Baker Street station. That's a cardio workout right there.

Line 4 to 7 at Chatalet in Paris is also quite the walk with a number of stairs en route. I think it took about 5-10 minutes to get through.

 

[W. K. Lis]

How could you possibly build a cross-platform transfer at Eglinton-Yonge? The two lines meet each other perpendicularly.

In order to build a X-platform transfer, you'd have to bend either the Yonge line or the Eglinton-Crosstown, or both, into an elongated S with huge curve radiuses. Basically it would be an extra $1 billion and an 8 year construction nightmare to save people from the "hassle" of walking for 1 minute and using an escalator.

One problem is that Eglinton Station has a shallow depth. If the station was deep, like Montréal's interchange stations, that would have been an option. With it being so shallow, the surrounding buildings' foundations are in the way.

 

[Hipster Duck]

In regards to the proposal to move the YUS platform up a couple dozen meters to shave off some marginal transfer time, who wants to take bets on:

1) How much more expensive this will be?
2) How many months (years?) this project will delay the opening of the Crosstown?

 

[TheTigerMaster]

In regards to the proposal to move the YUS platform up a couple dozen meters to shave off some marginal transfer time, who wants to take bets on:

1) How much more expensive this will be?
2) How many months (years?) this project will delay the opening of the Crosstown?

We'll probably come to appreciate it once this station eventually moves 150,000+ people per day. The last thing we want is a repeat of the Bloor-Yonge nightmare.

 

[junctionist]

They're being thorough, which will ensure the most functional transit system.

 

[diminutive]

We'll probably come to appreciate it once this station eventually moves 150,000+ people per day. The last thing we want is a repeat of the Bloor-Yonge nightmare.

Torontonians need to stop complaining about Bloor-Yonge. Is it the best transfer on earth? No, but it's pretty far from the worst one.

If you know what you're doing you can pretty reliably get <2m transfers between lines there. Short of the ideal cross-platform interchange, Bloor-Yonge really isn't so bad as to be called a "nightmare."

If there's any problem at B-Y, it's that Toronto's spent the past half century orienting almost all of its transit capacity to flow onto Yonge to get downtown. We don't have a good radial rail network like most cities to absorb the peak hour commuter flow and Bloor-Yonge ends up handling passenger volumes it really ought not have to as a result.

 

[Johnny Au]

If Eglinton station is moving, they should convert it to Spanish solution.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

If you know what you're doing you can pretty reliably get <2m transfers between lines there. Short of the ideal cross-platform interchange, Bloor-Yonge really isn't so bad as to be called a "nightmare."

It's not exactly a nightmare, but it's not as good as it should be. The Bloor platform should be wider and Yonge Station needs to be moved up to make transfers easier.

If there's any problem at B-Y, it's that Toronto's spent the past half century orienting almost all of its transit capacity to flow onto Yonge to get downtown.

This is a problem.

We don't have a good radial rail network like most cities to absorb the peak hour commuter flow and Bloor-Yonge ends up handling passenger volumes it really ought not have to as a result.

Even with the Relief Line (or whatever other lines we want to build), the crowding at our Bloor-Yonge station will be horrible. The relief line will hardly make a dent in Bloor-Yonge passenger flow. At some point in the near future this station will need to be upgraded.

 

[W. K. Lis]

If Eglinton station is moving, they should convert it to Spanish solution.

The problem, as mentioned, is that building foundations are in the way. Eglinton-Yonge Station is shallow, if it were deep under the foundations, maybe. Same with Bloor-Yonge.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

Even with the Relief Line (or whatever other lines we want to build), the crowding at our Bloor-Yonge station will be horrible. The relief line will hardly make a dent in Bloor-Yonge passenger flow. At some point in the near future this station will need to be upgraded.

If that's the case, why not build the Relief Line from Jane Sheppard to Don Mills Sheppard?

 

[rbt]

If Eglinton station is moving, they should convert it to Spanish solution.

The station is not moving, it's just being rearranged within the existing tunnel space so the platform ends up further north and some items in that space (mechanical, storage, pocket track) will either be removed or repositioned to the south end of the station box.

Many stations are significantly larger than what you can see as a passenger.