From the architecture plans:

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From the Landscape and Lighting Plan:

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SonyPayStation said:
It won't be built until Phase 2 with the East tower so there will be 3 million SF of office overhead. It'll be pretty busy.
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I dunno - it's not a particularly 'warm' space with uses that encourage people to stay around. I would be very happy to be proven wrong; the last thing Toronto needs is another monolithic facade that has no street life the moment the temperature drops.
 
How many times before we learn that monotonous block-long glass walls are not a desirable ground realm? Add some variation in texture/materials, crimp the glass in sections to provide some intrigue, introduce a little colour, and yes provide the patios it seems they already are. The designers heard this from the DRP and seem to have promptly done nothing about it. Imagine creating a sense of arrival at the Winter Garden entrance as the facade condition changes from the edges of the site towards the grand entry way. As it stands the entirety of it feels ubiquitous. Where is the sense of celebration and arrival?

If that ground floor façade along front isn't better broken up or articulated, this thing is going to fail at promoting any sort of inviting pedestrian quality to Front St.

Apart from that the rest of the buildings are perfectly mediocre. The park(s) has promise and I'll await the final designs on that.

I hate to sound negative when this will be an improvement over what is currently there but it's so frustrating that we repeat these mistakes over and over.
 
mrxbombastic said:
How many times before we learn that monotonous block-long glass walls are not a desirable ground realm? Add some variation in texture/materials, crimp the glass in sections to provide some intrigue, introduce a little colour, and yes provide the patios it seems they already are. The designers heard this from the DRP and seem to have promptly done nothing about it. Imagine creating a sense of arrival at the Winter Garden entrance as the facade condition changes from the edges of the site towards the grand entry way. As it stands the entirety of it feels ubiquitous. Where is the sense of celebration and arrival?

If that ground floor façade along front isn't better broken up or articulated, this thing is going to fail at promoting any sort of inviting pedestrian quality to Front St.

Apart from that the rest of the buildings are perfectly mediocre. The park(s) has promise and I'll await the final designs on that.

I hate to sound negative when this will be an improvement over what is currently there but it's so frustrating that we repeat these mistakes over and over.
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Don't just wait on improvement.

Talk to those who can affect change.

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Or write directly to Oxford; or their architects.
 

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allengeorge said:
I dunno - it's not a particularly 'warm' space with uses that encourage people to stay around. I would be very happy to be proven wrong; the last thing Toronto needs is another monolithic facade that has no street life the moment the temperature drops.
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I think it is hard to tell honestly what it will be. Guess These are after all, s. Hopefully that will be drawn out in the SPA phase.
mrxbombastic said:
How many times before we learn that monotonous block-long glass walls are not a desirable ground realm? Add some variation in texture/materials, crimp the glass in sections to provide some intrigue, introduce a little colour, and yes provide the patios it seems they already are. The designers heard this from the DRP and seem to have promptly done nothing about it. Imagine creating a sense of arrival at the Winter Garden entrance as the facade condition changes from the edges of the site towards the grand entry way. As it stands the entirety of it feels ubiquitous. Where is the sense of celebration and arrival?

If that ground floor façade along front isn't better broken up or articulated, this thing is going to fail at promoting any sort of inviting pedestrian quality to Front St.

Apart from that the rest of the buildings are perfectly mediocre. The park(s) has promise and I'll await the final designs on that.

I hate to sound negative when this will be an improvement over what is currently there but it's so frustrating that we repeat these mistakes over and over.
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As much as I agree - this is a rezoning application not an SPA. Most rezoning applications change. Materiality and articulation can be solved in SPA and I've confidence in Oxford on programming.
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said some elements are going backwards. The south tower here which used to be iconic has been VE'd and the PATH is not longer direct to Union Centre. It has been jogged over the rail which is awful.
 
Not big on the residential component but I can't wait to see these office towers rise. They are spectacular and will look absolutely gorgeous from the islands.
 
SonyPayStation said:
I think it is hard to tell honestly what it will be. Guess These are after all, s. Hopefully that will be drawn out in the SPA phase.


As much as I agree - this is a rezoning application not an SPA. Most rezoning applications change. Materiality and articulation can be solved in SPA and I've confidence in Oxford on programming.
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said some elements are going backwards. The south tower here which used to be iconic has been VE'd and the PATH is not longer direct to Union Centre. It has been jogged over the rail which is awful.
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Hopefully the PATH issue would be fixed with a future redevelopment of the convention centre, but yeah the current plan definitely isn't ideal.
 
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