[SimonP]

Joe Pantalone updated his site today, and it includes a bit about his advocacy for Transit City:

Among his arguments for why he prefers Transit City over alternatives:

* Serves more people per hour every day
* Offers commuters more direct routes between work and home
* Provides low income neighbourhoods with better access to city services
* Improves access for people with wheelchairs or strollers

 

[waterloowarrior]

The mayor has been tweeting today about his journey from Malvern to York U...
https://twitter.com/mayormiller

Made to York from Malvern: 4 buses, 1 subway, nearly two hours http://twitpic.com/1lik5h about 2 hours ago via TwitPic

Taking transit across the top of Toronto today: Malvern to York U. Trip will be faster, more reliable, easier when Sheppard LRT is built about 5 hours ago via web

Guess he didn't see the image I made a while back

 

[GraphicMatt]

Sorry to be a PIA, but I gotta ask again...
...if one is gonna bother building such a long tunnel, why on earth is it not a metro from the start?

I'll answer again in the hopes that you'll stop asking: LRT in the tunnel will provide sufficient capacity, very similar speed and stop spacing, and will allow through operation on Eglinton East and West, as opposed to forcing a bus transfer.

This is the answer to your question. It is a logical answer backed by reason and data. You're free to disagree with it - maybe you're concerned that the surface sections will hurt service in the tunnel, or that the three-car trains won't provide enough capacity (though you'd need some good numbers to argue that one) - but please stop asking this question again and again like it's a big mystery.

That deal is done. Vaughan would be pretty pissed if they lost their stations. They are paying for them, aren't they?

They're not going to be paying any of the operating costs, which will hurt the TTC to the tune of 10+ million a year. The Vaughan extension is a bad deal for Toronto that was foisted on us by a province and federal government that saw potential for votes.

 

[LAz]

I'll answer again in the hopes that you'll stop asking: LRT in the tunnel will provide sufficient capacity, very similar speed and stop spacing, and will allow through operation on Eglinton East and West, as opposed to forcing a bus transfer.

This is the answer to your question. It is a logical answer backed by reason and data. You're free to disagree with it - maybe you're concerned that the surface sections will hurt service in the tunnel, or that the three-car trains won't provide enough capacity (though you'd need some good numbers to argue that one) - but please stop asking this question again and again like it's a big mystery.

NO no, I think that you do not get the point of my question. Lets formulate it like this...

...if we are gonna get a computer that is not as good for 1,000 dollars... but if we can get a computer that has 10 times more space, a lot more ram, performs more efficiently for only 1,050 dollars... then why not pay the small amount more and have something that will be better for the long run? It results in us not having to upgrade as much, removing those costs to upgrade.

Digging a tunnel is a whole lot of money. And to use it as LRT instead of Metro is a real slap in the face, because a Metro is a better long term investment. The different in the cost is very small, as the bulk of the cost goes to the actual digging.

Miller won't support revised Transit City

It won't matter. The monkey will be out of office soon enough. Good riddance.


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Taking transit across the top of Toronto today: Malvern to York U. Trip will be faster, more reliable, easier when Sheppard LRT is built about 5 hours ago via web

The idiot does not notice how much faster it would be if there was a metro. Hell, it might be as short as 30 mins. He is only making that trip longer because he won't extend sheppard in both directions. Extending sheppard is where the biggest reduction of travel time would occur, in the northern region.

 

[waterloowarrior]

^ That's a little harsh... even if you don't like his plan, at least he cares about and is committed to transit unlike most politicians.

 

[nfitz]

...if we are gonna get a computer that is not as good for 1,000 dollars... but if we can get a computer that has 10 times more space, a lot more ram, performs more efficiently for only 1,050 dollars... then why not pay the small amount more and have something that will be better for the long run? It results in us not having to upgrade as much, removing those costs to upgrade.

Because the upgraded $1,050 computer will only run Linux. Also, no one buys computers based on what they are going to need 40 years in the future.

 

[Justin10000]

Worst analogy ever!

 

[The Mad Navigator]

Why? Don't you think that's what people would have said five years ago about the province swooping down and building three huge light rail lines across the city?

If it were up to the province we'd still be getting on average 6km of subway each decade.

Apart from Network 2011, TC was the next big transit vision for the city. Apparently, had there been no transit vision, we'd still be twiddling our thumbs watching just the Spadina extension being built out and that's it.

 

[kEiThZ]

I hope the Scarborough RT, soon to be LRT, doesn't stop at Sheppard but continues to Malvern Town Center.

It's not. They cut it short at Sheppard. Another stubway for Scarborough.

 

[kEiThZ]

The mayor has been tweeting today about his journey from Malvern to York U...
https://twitter.com/mayormiller



Guess he didn't see the image I made a while back

And he doesn't say how much faster it would be. Chances are, not much. Especially now that the SRT is not going to reach Malvern. Nor does he say how many transfers it would take. From Malvern Town Centre with Transit City: Bus to Sheppard, Sheppard LRT, Sheppard Subway, YUS, Finch West LRT, TYSSE to York U. 1 bus, 3 subways, 2 LRT. 5 transfers.

In reality, here's what people will actually do: Bus to Finch, Finch East, Steeles 60 c/f to York U. That's what they do today. Transit City does zip to improve northern cross-town travel. That's exactly what the Sheppard subway was meant for.

The trip should have gone something like this: Bus or LRT from Malvern to Sheppard, bus to Agincourt, subway to Downsview, subway to York U. 1 LRT, 1 bus, 2 subways. Three transfers.

 

[LAz]

Because the upgraded $1,050 computer will only run Linux.

Oh no, the upgraded computer runs all the softwares.



Another analogy would be hockey skates. LRT usually costs little per km. So we're dealing with those cheapest skates... the 40 dollar skates. Well when LRT goes underground for so long it increases the price to 280 dollars for those same skates. If you are gonna pay so much for the lame skates, why not just get the best ones - that cost 300 instead of 280? The difference is only a little bit.

If you bother to dig... why opt for lower capacity? Heck, it might be even more expensive, as it would require electric cables on the top, hence a bigger tunnel.

 

[kEiThZ]

The revised Metrolinx Transit City plan still does nothing for northern cross-town trips either.

And some things just don't make sense. They decide to push till Conlins but stop short of Dean Park? If you live between Conlins and Meadowvale, welcome to the black hole for transit in Toronto. There'll be no Sheppard bus and no LRT to where you live. Nice. It'll be good exercise to walk to Meadowvale though.

At least they won't get to mess up the Finch East bus.

 

[waterloowarrior]

Miller could sink Transit City: Wynne
By ANTONELLA ARTUSO, QUEEN'S PARK BUREAU CHIEF
Last Updated: May 6, 2010 12:34pm
http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2010/05/06/13847121.html

Toronto Mayor David Miller's prolonged protests over delayed Transit City funding is in danger of "undermining" the whole venture, Ontario Transportation Minister Kathleen Wynne says.

And if a future city council and its mayor should refuse to co-operate with the Transit City plans, Wynne said the entire project could get derailed.

"It's very difficult to imagine a scenario where the City of Toronto and the Mayor are blocking the project and we could still carry on," Wynne said. "My concern is that this kind of opposition can undermine these projects and I really think that would be a shame for the people of Toronto and the Greater Toronto area."

Wynne said Miller has written a letter of protest less than two days after talks began between the city and Metrolinx.

Miller has been highly critical over the provincial government's announcement that it would delay half of the promised Transit City funding in light of the recession and its own massive deficit.

Miller has been on a very public campaign to overturn that decision.

"There's such a lot of confusion and kind of disarray in terms of what's happening," Wynne said.

Some mayoral candidates in this October's election campaign have also expressed concerns about the light rail transit project, suggesting that subways may be the way to go.

The province is funding most of the project with some help from the federal government.

 

[M II A II R II K]

It's not. They cut it short at Sheppard. Another stubway for Scarborough.

Maybe they'll keep the aging SRT and extend it with LRT prompting yet another transfer!

 

[kettal]

Miller could sink Transit City: Wynne
By ANTONELLA ARTUSO, QUEEN'S PARK BUREAU CHIEF
Last Updated: May 6, 2010 12:34pm
http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2010/05/06/13847121.html

Toronto Mayor David Miller's prolonged protests over delayed Transit City funding is in danger of "undermining" the whole venture, Ontario Transportation Minister Kathleen Wynne says.

And if a future city council and its mayor should refuse to co-operate with the Transit City plans, Wynne said the entire project could get derailed.

"It's very difficult to imagine a scenario where the City of Toronto and the Mayor are blocking the project and we could still carry on," Wynne said. "My concern is that this kind of opposition can undermine these projects and I really think that would be a shame for the people of Toronto and the Greater Toronto area."

Wynne said Miller has written a letter of protest less than two days after talks began between the city and Metrolinx.

Miller has been highly critical over the provincial government's announcement that it would delay half of the promised Transit City funding in light of the recession and its own massive deficit.

Miller has been on a very public campaign to overturn that decision.

"There's such a lot of confusion and kind of disarray in terms of what's happening," Wynne said.

Some mayoral candidates in this October's election campaign have also expressed concerns about the light rail transit project, suggesting that subways may be the way to go.

The province is funding most of the project with some help from the federal government.

Oh, maybe it has something to do with your government promising Moveontario 2020, with no plan on how to pay for it?? Idiots.