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scarberiankhatru
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And for the record its Scarberian who said it'd take developing the park to support the subway which are really RTs which would not damage an acre of parkland due to its own ROW on Zoo property
I said it would take developing the entire Rouge Park to support a subway to the Zoo (and possibly even a subway to Sheppard & Markham) because it's true - you suggested that this development will happen. It won't.
Look, the Network 2011 report did not suggest extending the RT to Malvern because it concluded that Malvern would never have enough people to support it. Scarborough responded to the report by agreeing, saying that it favoured a Sheppard extension to STC because NW Scarborough would always be several times larger than Malvern, which would top out at about 60,000 people with no chance of drawing on a larger population.
Hell, at the time, Malvern could not even support full bus service during off-peak times - you go on about what a failure extending the Spadina line to #7 will be (but put it on your map, anyway) but what's the difference? A Malvern subway, which will draw on a population of 60,000, might be only "20,000 ppd" yet you think there's enough ridership there to support two lines in addition to all the bus routes that most definitely will still see use. You think Malvern and the Rouge area will be the growth hotspots in 20-30 years...clearly, we can't convince you otherwise, so you might as well go on believing it.
You go on and on about how your subways get "close enough" to major nodes like Jane & Finch, Don Mills & Finch, Warden & Finch, McCowan & Finch, etc. Why is 2km away close enough for these nodes while a few thousand houses strung along the Rouge Valley deserves to be served by multiple subway lines even though everybody knows that ridership will be pitifully low? You manage to serve isolated, low density sprawl, which makes your plan a complete joke.
run the BD line into the hinterland of Markberia to serve a shopping mall, yes folks a shopping mall already complete with its very own GO station and yet still needs a subway line
That 'hinterland' line will soon serve an area with about 400,000 people. Your two Malvern lines will serve an area with 60,000 people. Since you're so bad at math, let me assure you that 400,000 is a lot bigger than 60,000. The midtown GO line can and should be run straight to Malvern. You seriously think this city can build 100km of subways but not manage to run a few GO trains on that line?
neglect nearly one-third of the city because its not close enough to Yonge St.
Neglect one third of the area or one third of the people? I'll admit to the former only if you admit to the latter.
ridicule the ingenious Sheppard West-Hwy 27 area lines because it's a bad idea despite the fact that the connection between NYC and Pearson is done quicker via south Rexdale and yet for the sake of ten people at Jane-Finch having to ride down for 2 mins to reach it thinks I'm playing connect-the-dots when he's proposing absurdities "Canada's Wonderland...why not...it's just another 5kms" (Maple-Major Mac before Morningside?) and few condos at Cosburn-who was griping about everywhere there's some condos needs a subway again?-
lol...that entire passage is just nonsense. Keep it up, we're having a good laugh at your expense.
That's the best part!
re: an elevated Eglinton subway - maybe the only thing people will complain about is the station design...let's hope!
The buck should stop at York U and only after every other option is explored.
For less bucks, we can stop the subway in Vaughan. Toronto saves money by extending it farther. Why would Toronto want to pay more for a shorter subway? Yes, it's not an ideal scenario, but it's reality. Unlike your plan.
Shocking, I know.
I'd be shocked if it has even half that ridership. As I said, even if streetcar service on King, Queen, Dundas, and College was stopped and all those riders took a Queen subway line, ridership would need to triple. I already said we can build a Queen line in the future if it's still needed after the DRL.
The SRT is literally a streetcar 'subway' too but is largely underused intermediately while parallel bus routes see alot of traffic.
So all the people waiting at Kennedy station every night can get on any train they please, they're just waiting there for shits and giggles?
All the new ROWs proposed are for the lakeshore areas (Queens Quay East, Exhibition) where there aren't alot of density.
Please stop talking about density - you're not qualified.