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That is similar to what I saw in Milano Italy last year at a bus terminal.

If TTC and other systems are only looking at charging buses at the garage, going to be a lot of dead heading compare to having on route charging as well.

Most systems I saw last year had on route charging at the end of the route or the main bus terminal that were charge overhead. A few had the plug in that can only be done at the garage that used them for 40' buses. All 60 and a lot of 40's buses used the overhead charging by a number of different charging systems.

Even going back as far as 2014 when I saw my first ebus, it charging station was on the route at the ends using overhead charging.
 
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That is similar to what I saw in Milano Italy last year at a bus terminal.

If TTC and other systems are only looking at charging buses at the garage, going to be a lot of dead heading compare to having on route charging as well.

Most systems I saw last year had on route charging at the end of the route or the main bus terminal that were charge overhead. A few had the plug in that can only be done at the garage that used them for 40' buses. All 60 and a lot of 40's buses used the overhead charging by a number of different charging systems.

Even going back as far as 2014 when I saw my first ebus, it charging station was on the route at the ends using overhead charging.
I'm sure they looked at charging at stations. Likely it would require infrastructure upgrades that are $$.
 
If TTC and other systems are only looking at charging buses at the garage, going to be a lot of dead heading compare to having on route charging as well.
They're not. That's why places like Brampton and Winnipeg are doing on-line charging, to get useful data for the Canadian realm of operations.

Both methods have their advantages and disadvantages. The hope is that the data on both will be complete enough that other properties will be able to choose the appropriate solution for their network.

Dan
 
I'm sure they looked at charging at stations. Likely it would require infrastructure upgrades that are $$.
Not like what they use for the yard.

This is Amsterdam method where the pole on the bus goes up to the charger that is attached to a pole at the bus bay. Same for Rotterdam, Copenhagen and other places. Milano Italy has the drop down similar to TTC method.
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Not like what they use for the yard.

This is Amsterdam method where the pole on the bus goes up to the charger that is attached to a pole at the bus bay. Same for Rotterdam, Copenhagen and other places. Milano Italy has the drop down similar to TTC method.
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I have seen these in Amsterdam as well and they make a lot of sense. Should be the same in Toronto. Cannot think it can be that difficult to instal some units for evaluation purposes….?
 
It need to be higher to allow trucks to travel without hitting the changing station.
Doesn't have to be at Bus Terminals, Loops or where truck are not an Issue. Louisville KY has an on street ones when I saw it in 2014/19 and they had no issues with it and not taller to deal with trucks.

There are many place in Europe that do charging at loops, end of the line or bus terminals and can be done here without issues also. Then there is TTC that needs to reinvent the wheel for new things that can be bought off the shelf cheap
 
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Sometimes the buses have a timed wait at major intersections, usually to get back on schedule (allegedly) if they are ahead of schedule. They could recharge during that wait.
 
Doesn't have to be at Bus Terminals, Loops or where truck are not an Issue. Louisville KY has an on street ones when I saw it in 2014/19 and they had no issues with it and not taller to deal with trucks.

There are many place in Europe that do charging at loops, end of the line or bus terminals and can be done here without issues also. Then there is TTC that needs to reinvent the wheel for new things that can be bought off the shelf cheap
Reinventing the wheel is a very Canadian habit. It finds great favour within provincial and federal administrations and is a tremendous waste of time and money in almost any department.
 
Reinventing the wheel is a very Canadian habit. It finds great favour within provincial and federal administrations and is a tremendous waste of time and money in almost any department.
Well good thing they aren’t doing that here like some people think. YRT and Brampton are both testing en route pantograph charging and the TTC and other agencies are very much in the loop.
 
Government of Canada invests in Zero Emission Public Transit Infrastructure in Toronto

Toronto, Ontario, April 24, 2023 – Today, on behalf of the Honourable Dominic LeBlanc, Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs, Infrastructure and Communities, the Honourable Chrystia Freeland, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance, and Ya’Ara Saks, Member of Parliament for York Centre, joined Jennifer McKelvie, Deputy Mayor of the City of Toronto, and Fort Monaco, Chief of Engineering and Infrastructure of the Toronto Transit Commission (TTC) to announced a joint investment of $700 million towards the electrification of the Toronto Transit Commission (TTC)’s bus fleet.

This funding will enable the TTC to purchase 340 zero emission buses and 248 bus chargers. It will also support upgrades to related infrastructure in eight bus garages, including site upgrades, equipment procurement, and charger installations. Once complete, this project will deliver better public transit for Torontonians with access to new, clean and comfortable transit options.

Public transit is key to creating sustainable economic growth and more inclusive communities.

This investment will help the TTC work towards electrifying its entire operations by 2040, and help Canada achieve net-zero emissions by 2050.

By investing in infrastructure, the Government of Canada is growing our country’s economy, increasing the resiliency of our communities, and improving the lives of Canadians.

Quotes

“Cities, including Toronto, have had no greater partner than our federal government. That’s why last July, our government provided $750 million to provinces and territories to support municipalities facing pandemic-related transit shortfalls. Today’s investment in electric busses delivers new, more comfortable options for Torontonians, and will help the city reduce both its emissions and fuel costs. This investment is yet another example our work to build affordable and sustainable transit for Canadians in communities from coast to coast to coast. To reach our emissions reduction target of net-zero by 2050, we need to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in the transportation sector and ensure riding transit is a quick and comfortable option. Today’s investment in electric busses delivers new, more comfortable options for riders, and helps the TTC reduce both its emissions and fuel costs. Our government’s investments in zero-emission busses for the City of Toronto is one more example of our work with partners across the country to build sustainable transit in communities from coast to coast to coast.”

The Honourable Chrystia Freeland, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance, on behalf of the Honourable Dominic LeBlanc, Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs, Infrastructure and Communities

“The City of Toronto is proud to work with the Government of Canada to invest in cleaner and greener transit infrastructure. This major investment by our two governments will add 340 zero emission buses to our TTC fleet along with the infrastructure to support those vehicles. This is good news for our transit system and the environment. Thank you to the federal government for working with our municipal government to invest in public transit infrastructure for the future.”

Jennifer McKelvie, Deputy Mayor of the City of Toronto

“Zero-emissions vehicles are the future of public transit and I am grateful for the generous support of the federal and municipal governments on this project. We are proud to be paving the way for transit electrification across North America as we work towards our goal of being completely zero-emissions by 2040. We are also pleased to be bringing new, clean, quiet vehicles to customers and employees across the City of Toronto.”

Jon Burnside, Toronto Transit Commission Chair

Quick facts

The Government of Canada is contributing $349 million to this project through the Zero Emission Transit Fund. The City of Toronto is contributing $351 million.

In August 2021, the federal government announced the $2.75-billion, five year Zero Emission Transit Fund, which is currently accepting applications under both, the Planning and Capital streams. Eligible applicants can seek funding to help cover planning and capital costs related to the electrification of school and transit fleet, including the purchase of zero emission buses and associated infrastructure. This Fund is closely coordinated with the Canada Infrastructure Bank’s commitment to invest in zero emission buses as part of its Growth Plan.

More information on the Zero Emission Transit Fund – and other public transit related programs, such as the Active Transportation Fund and the Rural Transit Solutions Fund – including details on eligibility, and how to apply for funding, can be found at the links below.

In February 2021, the Prime Minister announced The Government of Canada is investing $14.9 billion for public transit projects from 2021 through 2029. over eight years in reliable, fast, affordable, and clean public transit. This funding includes $3 billion per year, beginning in 2026-27, of permanent and stable in long-term, predictable federal public transit funding which will be available to support transit solutions beginning in 2026/27.

Since 2015, the Government of Canada has invested over $24.8 billion in transit projects across the country, providing Canadians with cleaner and more efficient commuting options.

These public transit investments complement Canada’s strengthened climate plan: A Healthy Environment and a Healthy Economy. The plan commits the federal government to provide permanent federal funding for public transit in support of making clean and affordable transportation available in every community.
 
Government of Canada invests in Zero Emission Public Transit Infrastructure in Toronto

Toronto, Ontario, April 24, 2023 – Today, on behalf of the Honourable Dominic LeBlanc, Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs, Infrastructure and Communities, the Honourable Chrystia Freeland, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance, and Ya’Ara Saks, Member of Parliament for York Centre, joined Jennifer McKelvie, Deputy Mayor of the City of Toronto, and Fort Monaco, Chief of Engineering and Infrastructure of the Toronto Transit Commission (TTC) to announced a joint investment of $700 million towards the electrification of the Toronto Transit Commission (TTC)’s bus fleet.

This funding will enable the TTC to purchase 340 zero emission buses and 248 bus chargers. It will also support upgrades to related infrastructure in eight bus garages, including site upgrades, equipment procurement, and charger installations. Once complete, this project will deliver better public transit for Torontonians with access to new, clean and comfortable transit options.

Public transit is key to creating sustainable economic growth and more inclusive communities.

This investment will help the TTC work towards electrifying its entire operations by 2040, and help Canada achieve net-zero emissions by 2050.

By investing in infrastructure, the Government of Canada is growing our country’s economy, increasing the resiliency of our communities, and improving the lives of Canadians.

Quotes

“Cities, including Toronto, have had no greater partner than our federal government. That’s why last July, our government provided $750 million to provinces and territories to support municipalities facing pandemic-related transit shortfalls. Today’s investment in electric busses delivers new, more comfortable options for Torontonians, and will help the city reduce both its emissions and fuel costs. This investment is yet another example our work to build affordable and sustainable transit for Canadians in communities from coast to coast to coast. To reach our emissions reduction target of net-zero by 2050, we need to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in the transportation sector and ensure riding transit is a quick and comfortable option. Today’s investment in electric busses delivers new, more comfortable options for riders, and helps the TTC reduce both its emissions and fuel costs. Our government’s investments in zero-emission busses for the City of Toronto is one more example of our work with partners across the country to build sustainable transit in communities from coast to coast to coast.”

The Honourable Chrystia Freeland, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance, on behalf of the Honourable Dominic LeBlanc, Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs, Infrastructure and Communities

“The City of Toronto is proud to work with the Government of Canada to invest in cleaner and greener transit infrastructure. This major investment by our two governments will add 340 zero emission buses to our TTC fleet along with the infrastructure to support those vehicles. This is good news for our transit system and the environment. Thank you to the federal government for working with our municipal government to invest in public transit infrastructure for the future.”

Jennifer McKelvie, Deputy Mayor of the City of Toronto

“Zero-emissions vehicles are the future of public transit and I am grateful for the generous support of the federal and municipal governments on this project. We are proud to be paving the way for transit electrification across North America as we work towards our goal of being completely zero-emissions by 2040. We are also pleased to be bringing new, clean, quiet vehicles to customers and employees across the City of Toronto.”

Jon Burnside, Toronto Transit Commission Chair

Quick facts

The Government of Canada is contributing $349 million to this project through the Zero Emission Transit Fund. The City of Toronto is contributing $351 million.

In August 2021, the federal government announced the $2.75-billion, five year Zero Emission Transit Fund, which is currently accepting applications under both, the Planning and Capital streams. Eligible applicants can seek funding to help cover planning and capital costs related to the electrification of school and transit fleet, including the purchase of zero emission buses and associated infrastructure. This Fund is closely coordinated with the Canada Infrastructure Bank’s commitment to invest in zero emission buses as part of its Growth Plan.

More information on the Zero Emission Transit Fund – and other public transit related programs, such as the Active Transportation Fund and the Rural Transit Solutions Fund – including details on eligibility, and how to apply for funding, can be found at the links below.

In February 2021, the Prime Minister announced The Government of Canada is investing $14.9 billion for public transit projects from 2021 through 2029. over eight years in reliable, fast, affordable, and clean public transit. This funding includes $3 billion per year, beginning in 2026-27, of permanent and stable in long-term, predictable federal public transit funding which will be available to support transit solutions beginning in 2026/27.

Since 2015, the Government of Canada has invested over $24.8 billion in transit projects across the country, providing Canadians with cleaner and more efficient commuting options.

These public transit investments complement Canada’s strengthened climate plan: A Healthy Environment and a Healthy Economy. The plan commits the federal government to provide permanent federal funding for public transit in support of making clean and affordable transportation available in every community.
How about the operational budget? Sorry, there are no photo ops for that, so no funds from the feds (nor Queen's Park) for that.
 
How about the operational budget? Sorry, there are no photo ops for that, so no funds from the feds (nor Queen's Park) for that.
Part of TTC operating Cost.

Electric cost replace fuel cost at a cheaper rate

Buses are replacing buses due to be retired and all ready approved to be purchase by 2025.

Now, who is going to get the order and when will it be awarded??
 
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Part of TTC operating Cost.

Electric cost replace fuel cost at a cheaper rate

Buses are replacing buses due to be retired and all ready approved to be purchase by 2025.

Now, who is going to get the order and when will it be awarded??
Still need to pay drivers for the proper service levels, which were reduced for "efficiency".
 

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