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the lemur said:
There's no way to tell from a still photo whether the streetcar entered the intersection on a red, green or yellow light. Plus traffic facing the green still has to check that the way is clear before proceeding - green doesn't mean 'go no matter what'.

Intersections get blocked (momentarily) like this all the time when streetcars aren't even involved.
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And when they do its an offense! It is the driver of any motor vehcile's responsibility to not enter an intersection unless he/she is reasonably certain they can clear the intersection safely. It will be a real challenge for the operators of these new vehicles.
 
no, it is their responsibility that they know they can exit it. No matter your speed, provided there is space on the outside of the intersection and you have a green light telling you to go, you can go. Now of course people go anyway even when there isn't any space.
 
TOareaFan said:
And when they do its an offense! It is the driver of any motor vehcile's responsibility to not enter an intersection unless he/she is reasonably certain they can clear the intersection safely. It will be a real challenge for the operators of these new vehicles.
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I don't think it's such a huge deal in this case.

There's still time to work out how long it takes an LFLRV to clear an average intersection at a given speed. That's part of training.

The training takes place late at night when there is little traffic to begin with, and it is supervised.

And again, there's no way to tell how late the LRV entered the intersection, or whether it was stationary in the intersection at any point.
 
the lemur said:
There's no way to tell from a still photo whether the streetcar entered the intersection on a red, green or yellow light. Plus traffic facing the green still has to check that the way is clear before proceeding - green doesn't mean 'go no matter what'.

Intersections get blocked (momentarily) like this all the time when streetcars aren't even involved.
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I can till you that you will find transit drivers on most systems running red lights to the point I was on 2 501 last week that did that and a few buses for TTC, MT, BT and Burlington. Seen both buses and streetcars enter the intersection only to block the traffic the other way on a green, as it was the only way doing so to get in the way of left hand turn traffic coming the oppose way as well the right hand traffic. The momentarily can turn out to be a light or 2.
 
I'd laugh so hard if I ever saw a streetcar get pulled over by the police for this.

Anyways if this becomes a problem that can't be fixed then just have the province modify the legislation to allow streetcars to hang into intersections or something.
 
Out of curiosity, can police actually give streetcar operators tickets for anything vehicle-related. Do streetcars fall under the HTA? Aren't there seperate rules for street railways?
 
brainfreezed said:
Out of curiosity, can police actually give streetcar operators tickets for anything vehicle-related. Do streetcars fall under the HTA? Aren't there seperate rules for street railways?
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Streetcars have been covered under the HTA since a collision in August 1983 on the Queensway where one streetcar (a CLRV) stalled, and a second streetcar (a PCC) which was following it closely at speed rammed into the stalled CLRV. The driver of the second streetcar did not have a driver's licence and was not required to because streetcars did not fall under the HTA. This was brought up in the investigation and media outrage ensued. The rules were amended in late 1983 or 1984 to require a valid driver's licence to operate a streetcar by bringing their operation under the HTA. At least that's the way I remember it, if I've recalled it wrong, someone can set it straight.
 
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brainfreezed said:
Out of curiosity, can police actually give streetcar operators tickets for anything vehicle-related. Do streetcars fall under the HTA? Aren't there seperate rules for street railways?
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There is a separate definition of 'street car' in the HTA and various provisions apply to 'motor vehicle or street car' and 'vehicle or street car', including some where 'motor vehicle' includes streetcars, 'vehicles' ditto.

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90h08_e.htm

Blocking intersection

145. (1) The council of a municipality may by by-law prohibit a driver or street car operator approaching, at an intersection, a traffic control signal showing a circular green or green arrow indication from entering the intersection unless traffic in front of him or her is moving in a manner that would reasonably lead him or her to believe he or she can clear the intersection before the signal indication changes to a circular red indication. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 145 (1).

Idem

(2) A by-law passed under subsection (1) does not apply to a driver or street car operator who enters an intersection for the purpose of turning to the right or left into an intersecting highway and signals his or her intention to make the turn prior to entering the intersection. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 145 (2).

Idem

(3) A by-law passed under subsection (1) shall apply to all signalized intersections of highways under the jurisdiction of the municipality. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 145 (3).
 
the lemur said:
The roof of the streetcar looks a bit unfinished ...
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That's how it, and every other low-floor streetcar built, is supposed to look.

All of the stuff that used to be located under the floor is now on the roof, so you need to be able to access it easily.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.
 
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