[smallspy]

Lots of nice Bombardier trams coming out of Bombardier Vienna.

There are. None of them are running in London, however.

I have a feeling that TB got the FLEXITY 2 designs from Austria and were tasked with "North-Americanizing" them for Toronto's Outlook and Freedom. Crash protection changes, fattening them up, generally clunking them up a bit more to satisfy our silly rules and horrid weather.

I wonder if a lot of the problems revolve around that.

The cars being built in Australia are the exact same (with the exception of certain components for content rules) as the cars being built in Europe.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.

 

[Duck]

I'm talking about Thunder Bay - I think you are confusing Austria with Australia. The trains on G:link in Australia were built in Austria.

I am also not sure why you mention London.

 

[dowlingm]

Does anybody actually like the new streetcars? I think they look very cool on the outside but find them quite cramped on the inside.

I found the Brussels cars in Vancouver during the Olympics (2.45m wide) cramped and the downtown 2.54m wide LFLRVs too. Hopefully the uptown LFLRVs at 2.65m will be noticeably more spacious as one would hope all 11 cm will go to a wider aisle.

 

[nfitz]

I found the Brussels cars in Vancouver during the Olympics (2.45m wide) cramped and the downtown 2.54m wide LFLRVs too. Hopefully the uptown LFLRVs at 2.65m will be noticeably more spacious as one would hope all 11 cm will go to a wider aisle.

Looking at the prototype, there's a bit of a gain, but didn't look like a full 11 cm. I need to start carrying a tape measure to the CNE!

 

[innsertnamehere]

From what I remember from the CNE is that they feel fairly wide inside, nothing like a TR of course, but TRs are unusually wide for mass transit vehicles anyway.

 

[drum118]

I still say the Stadler tram is the best one out there and it was the 2nd one I rode in Croydon UK after being on a Bombardier 3 section. Rode the 5 & 7 section Bombardier Tram in Berlin and wasn't impress back in 2012 and still not impress today with TTC ones.

 

[44 North]

Hm. Those Stadlers look pretty decent. Nice and open, and level. I like how the floor between the seats is on an incline toward the centre instead of a step up. Less of a tripping hazard.

 

[APTA-2048]

Weird - it's subjective, certainly - I far prefer the diaphragms on the LFLRV's. On the TR's, they have these sort of elipse-curved panels with light grey rubber boots with teeth and I just hate them. They make me uncomfortable.

I think the styling of that piece on the TR is awkward as well. Other cities have it too like Berlin and Montreal—some sort of standard part.

As for the LFLRVs, I'm pretty happy with them. My favourite spot to sit is at the rear row or the seats just in front of it. Always seems to be the least crowded. I also like the warm white interior. After 4-5 years, it seems to be holding up fine on the Rocket trains.

 

[Duck]

I think the styling of that piece on the TR is awkward as well. Other cities have it too like Berlin and Montreal—some sort of standard part.

You mean on the new Montreal Azur trains? Ahhhhhh!!

 

[APTA-2048]

You mean on the new Montreal Azur trains? Ahhhhhh!!

Yup! One of the first things I noticed.

A bit off topic, but here are Calgary's new Siemens 'Series 9' S200 LRVs. Their appearance is quite striking, inspired by a Calgary Flames goalie mask. I don't envy the interior though. Very open, but not many seats. The seats are also simple moulded plastic.

 

[Duck]

Actually, that setup makes a lot of sense to me. The leaning-pads are in the small sections between the middle doors, where its most crowded normally anyway. I think this is what others were complaining about Toronto's LFLRV's - that the aisles caused by the seats is not wide enough.

Of course, Calgary can do this, because their vehicles are High-Floor, so the entire floor can be flat.

Check out those warning light strips around the windows! Sharp. Siemens is going nuts with those lately.

 

[sixrings]

This is the inside set up I prefer. It fits the most amount of people which is what is important. Torontos front facing seats would be great if we had half the passengers but we need every inch we could get. Every time I am in New York this is the first thing I notice. Even on their busy trains it feels like there is more room since seats are not in the aisle. I will assume that these are narrower vehicles making the space even more a premium.

 

[nfitz]

Do you recall the reaction from the TTC Board, in particular Chair Moscoe when staff presented the New York-style cattle-car option for the TR? -
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...s-get-the-bums-rush-from-ttc/article18159157/



And Steve Munro's commentary:
- http://stevemunro.ca/2006/03/02/ttc-cattle-cars-why-do-ttc-engineers-love-bench-seating/
- http://stevemunro.ca/2006/03/07/ttc-cattle-cars-an-alice-in-wonderland-update/
- http://stevemunro.ca/2006/03/23/ttc-cattle-cars-part-3-passengers-2-staff-1/
- http://stevemunro.ca/2006/07/18/cattle-car-update-new-subway-car-seating/
- http://stevemunro.ca/2006/08/06/the-last-word-on-perimeter-seating-i-hope/

Of course, it was discussed here in detail at the time in the http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/ttc-toronto-rocket-subway-cars-in-delivery-bombardier.3338/ thread - on page 2. (if anyone feels the need to rehash that debate, then page 203 of that thread would be the correct place).

Nick

 

[sixrings]

Didnt click because Im sure people hated it. Again its a story of people wanting their cake and eating it too.. In this case I want to take transit but have a seat which doesnt face people and where I dont feel crowded.

 

[rbt]

Didnt click because Im sure people hated it. Again its a story of people wanting their cake and eating it too.. In this case I want to take transit but have a seat which doesnt face people and where I dont feel crowded.

All completely doable with a fare set accordingly. Of course, they don't want that either.