Colinfill
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Dollarama is now at the former London Drugs
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Mountain Man
Senior Member
Is the Urban
Is the Urban Fare closed? or did it just re-brand as a save on? Seems too close to the former London Drugs site if it's a grocery store still.
Nawads
Active Member
Former London Drugs is now a Dollarama, and the Urban Fare was switched to a Save on Foods.
I'd suspect if the beltline is getting a new grocery store, it will be in the east end. Maybe BLVD if they have space?
haltcatchfire
Senior Member
Smaller grocery stores gain ground in Calgary amid population growth
While Calgary's population has surged by 48% since 2008—from 1.1 million to 1.68 million people—grocery store space hasn't kept up with the demand.retail-insider.com
"Sobeys is also following suit, with plans for a 12,000-square-foot urban format store in the Beltline area, just outside downtown Calgary." Anyone know where this is supposed to be? Wonder if it's closer to 17th instead of where Safeway/Coop is already.
If they're not looking for existing space and willing to wait I'd say they should go for Broadway on 17th.
lemongrab
Active Member
Inglewood/Ramsay don't really have a grocery (aside from $$$Bite$$$), so Vic Park could definitely make some sense
adamyyc
Senior Member
I agree with you. 18 stories feels dense for this corner. I know the City and any developer will point to the MAX Yellow as justification, but I’m picturing the Crowchild overpass/off-ramps getting backed up at rush hour at the end of the day.
I’m also just mad that the Certus proposal fell through.
adamyyc
Senior Member
It’s crazy how much better the east end of 17 Ave feels now that it opens into the Stampede grounds. I was walking down 17 Ave east to 1st St and it is already so much more inviting.
adamyyc
Senior Member
So it now looks like maybe Sarina has managed to acquire the property on the corner of 33 Ave & 14 St SW. There is a land use change application for the property now, so I anticipate that it will be incorporated into their 1500 Block development.
End of the road for the crazy perpetual garage sale.
potatopizzafan
Active Member
Now where will I buy hubcaps for my 1975 Buick LeSabre?
Albertasaurus
Senior Member
DP just submitted for a new project known as "mosaic" at the NE corner of 16 St and 6 Av NW. Looks fine IMO (although, not sure how that weird fish scale pattern will turn out) and has ground floor retail, but annoyed at the loss of a cool old commercial building, rather than redeveloping one of the parking lots or, alternately, one of the many more auto-oriented uses along this stretch of 16th.
Thrillhou
Active Member
Looks pretty good, anything to move density to 16th and improve it from it's current car sewer state is a plus. Would be nice to have on street parking here with no stopping restrictions by time of day. I'd also like to see light timing improvements, the pedestrian wait is very long and you're essentially standing on the side of a freeway.
The project on 16th and 4th may be closer to starting up. Rosedale cleaners has moved and their old building is being demolished. For reference:
The project on 16th and 4th may be closer to starting up. Rosedale cleaners has moved and their old building is being demolished. For reference:
Albertasaurus
Senior Member
Agree re: getting improvement of the urban realm on 16th. I did see on the weekend that the cleaners was being torn down. I am looking forward to that one moving ahead, both for convenient access to Shoppers as an area resident, and to get more density along 16th.
Calgcouver
Senior Member
With all of the new developments happening on 16 Ave N and Macleod Trail recently, it is becoming increasingly important for the City of Calgary to create and complete well-thought out Streetscape Master Plans for these areas. Not only for the developments that are in the pipeline now, but to create a condition for better redevelopment sooner. There is a lot of under-utilized land along these corridors and we are going to see sustained and increasing pressure for redeveloping these lots moving forward. Mobility connections and designs are being done ad hoc at the Development Permit stage and I would suggest we need a plan for these interfaces now so that builders can build to the ultimate expected condition and to ensure good development outcomes, consistently on these main streets.
The Broadway Plan in Vancouver shows what the expectations are for how development interfaces with the street: https://guidelines.vancouver.ca/policy-plan-broadway-public-realm.pdf
We need these details to ensure good or even intentional urban design outcomes for redevelopment projects happen and that the current mobility conditions and objectives don't kill the street-orientation of developments and in particular CRU's.
It'll become pretty clear why when the CRU's occupy at the 16 Ave Co-op redevelopment and the "street-fronting" shops orient there front doors away from 16 Ave towards the parking lot:
This condition happens basically everywhere in the City where mobility focusses on car throughput of the adjacent street and forces front doors to orient towards the back even though the Land Use Bylaw is trying to get commercial units to face the street. This happens in the majority of situations to be honest:
and the outcome:
and again street-fronting buildings:
oh i guess not:
Here's what you'll get for "Main Street" redevelopment if mobility issues and a streetscape design aren't created:
Not exactly a suitable outcome for how buildings should interact with a main street:
I really hope that we can create good streetscape plans so that redevelopment can orient towards main streets and the street correctly, instead of ad hoc outcomes at Development Permit creating final conditions that we won't look favourably at, which is happening all the time right now. I use Bowness Road where the main street improvements have been made and walked the 33 Ave improvements and kudos to the City teams (likely a lot from Mobility Eng who i've been critical of) that have worked on those they did a good job and all i'm asking is for more of it and sooner. Provisions for off-peak street parking are necessary for all main streets no matter the current size and throughput, and i don't believe these should be staged as short, medium and long term as they are with the 16 Ave NW planned improvements. Create a design and build to the final condition (read: the long term condition) so that developers and builders can put it in at the time of development as the final intended design should be. But we need a good design to build to, and if we do that builders and the City of Calgary can create the outcomes we all hope for. There are way too many times that the short or medium term plans are what are half realized and the long term plan never comes to fruition. So just plan for the final, optimal condition of the main street interface and let it play out and develop that way.
The Broadway Plan in Vancouver shows what the expectations are for how development interfaces with the street: https://guidelines.vancouver.ca/policy-plan-broadway-public-realm.pdf
We need these details to ensure good or even intentional urban design outcomes for redevelopment projects happen and that the current mobility conditions and objectives don't kill the street-orientation of developments and in particular CRU's.
It'll become pretty clear why when the CRU's occupy at the 16 Ave Co-op redevelopment and the "street-fronting" shops orient there front doors away from 16 Ave towards the parking lot:
This condition happens basically everywhere in the City where mobility focusses on car throughput of the adjacent street and forces front doors to orient towards the back even though the Land Use Bylaw is trying to get commercial units to face the street. This happens in the majority of situations to be honest:
and the outcome:
and again street-fronting buildings:
oh i guess not:
Here's what you'll get for "Main Street" redevelopment if mobility issues and a streetscape design aren't created:
Not exactly a suitable outcome for how buildings should interact with a main street:
I really hope that we can create good streetscape plans so that redevelopment can orient towards main streets and the street correctly, instead of ad hoc outcomes at Development Permit creating final conditions that we won't look favourably at, which is happening all the time right now. I use Bowness Road where the main street improvements have been made and walked the 33 Ave improvements and kudos to the City teams (likely a lot from Mobility Eng who i've been critical of) that have worked on those they did a good job and all i'm asking is for more of it and sooner. Provisions for off-peak street parking are necessary for all main streets no matter the current size and throughput, and i don't believe these should be staged as short, medium and long term as they are with the 16 Ave NW planned improvements. Create a design and build to the final condition (read: the long term condition) so that developers and builders can put it in at the time of development as the final intended design should be. But we need a good design to build to, and if we do that builders and the City of Calgary can create the outcomes we all hope for. There are way too many times that the short or medium term plans are what are half realized and the long term plan never comes to fruition. So just plan for the final, optimal condition of the main street interface and let it play out and develop that way.
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Albertasaurus
Senior Member
Excellent post Calgcouver, and I fully agree.