IanO
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City numbers folks, not CMA (which are misleading to no end).
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EdmTrekker
Senior Member
Both numbers are used by the Feds for funding and for regional/city economic development.
IanO
Superstar
Density is meaningless with a CMA due to their arbitrary boundaries.
occidentalcapital
Senior Member
I would argue City proper populations are largely meaningless, the CMA is specifically designed to overcome artificial municipal boundaries, so the CMA should always be the go-to, not the city proper population.
Gronk!
Senior Member
Most people will choose Vancouver's CMA population (which includes Burnaby, Surrey, Richmond etc) over the city proper population.
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Vancouver - Wikipedia
Airboy
Senior Member
So here's a thing. Talked with a neighbor last night. He has been hiring heavy duty mechanics this last year. Hired 80 so far. 3/4 of them are coming from BC and Ontario. He can pay them $15 an hour less here and they are more than happy because they can afford a home here.
VaultBoy
New Member
Edmonton talked about in new Reallifelore youtube video starting at 4 min. mark. Pretty interesting topic actually about migration and settlement of province due to geographic factors
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channing76
New Member
That was well worth the watch. Thanks.
occidentalcapital
Senior Member
Supposedly, Edmonton speaks the fastest in Canada.
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David A
Senior Member
Interesting. I wonder if those people in TO are just really tired because they have to work two jobs to pay the rent or their mortgage.
Kosy123
Active Member
Bullish on YEG: Edmonton attracts nearly 33,400 international migrants in 2022
In the two decades between 2002 and 2021, Edmonton averaged 10,743 international migrants a year, making 2022 triple that of the 20-year average.
edmontonjournal.com
Honestly, I'm extremely optimistic at the population growth we've been getting, and it seems like the 40,000 number that Councillor Knack provided was pretty on the mark. The floodgates have opened, and Edmonton better be ready to welcome this new normal. I'm hoping this drives more development because this level of growth will quickly overwhelm our housing and rental stock if we're not careful.
ChazYEG
Senior Member
And that is on top of natural growth, which should be at around 1%. All in c we're looking at roughly 50k more people in 2023, and I doubt the trend will slow.Bullish on YEG: Edmonton attracts nearly 33,400 international migrants in 2022
In the two decades between 2002 and 2021, Edmonton averaged 10,743 international migrants a year, making 2022 triple that of the 20-year average.
Honestly, I'm extremely optimistic at the population growth we've been getting, and it seems like the 40,000 number that Councillor Knack provided was pretty on the mark. The floodgates have opened, and Edmonton better be ready to welcome this new normal. I'm hoping this drives more development because this level of growth will quickly overwhelm our housing and rental stock if we're not careful.
At the current rates, we'll probably be hitting the 1.3M in the city proper by late 2025/early 2026, and 1.7M by the end of the decade. I wouldn't be surprised if the actual numbers were higher, especially as interprovincial migration increases and Calgary becomes more and more expensive. It wouldn't shock me if we hit closer to 1.8M by 2030. I feel like we'll definitely reach 2M WAY before the originally forecast of 2040. My bet is 2032.
It's crazy to think that when I first moved here, in 2019, the CMA hadn't hit 1.4M yet.
BASE
Active Member
As excited as many are about the growth (myself included) I would caution against making predictions for growth too far out. Immigration plans may change, oil prices could go one way or the other, economy, other real estate markets in Canada, etc...
I will admit though it is interesting to wonder if Edmonton will be hitting a point where it becomes a true destination for immigrants as opposed to a secondary or niche option as it may have been in the past.
I am not particularly worried about the housing stock existing & future being able to handle it. The question is can the central areas gain some real momentum as a destination for people to live.
I will admit though it is interesting to wonder if Edmonton will be hitting a point where it becomes a true destination for immigrants as opposed to a secondary or niche option as it may have been in the past.
I am not particularly worried about the housing stock existing & future being able to handle it. The question is can the central areas gain some real momentum as a destination for people to live.
Kosy123
Active Member
Yeah, it's quite funny for me to see the ads about "District Plans to 1.25 million" all around the city when we're hitting that milestone in 3-5 years. I feel like within a decade or two, the city should start planning for the 3 million milestone.
I can confirm the second point, we've become a true destination for several immigrant communities (India and the Philippines) rather than a niche target, and those two are the largest immigrant cohorts in the country right now. I'm sure we're going to reach that point for other immigrant communities as well, but I'm confident that we've crossed the Rubicon for that. No matter the economic conditions, we'll be getting a decent share of immigrant arrivals.
I think in a sense it has? 107 Ave already has a large East African community and that'll continue and I've started seeing more immigrant families in Garneau and Oliver, something that wasn't the case when I was younger since I've always perceived those areas as "white and young". Plus, as vacancy rates drop and transit oriented development starts popping up, we'll see more of those communities around the the LRT lines.
occidentalcapital
Senior Member
The Journal didn't clearly state this but the Conference Board report actually identifies Edmonton as having the highest economic growth of all Canadian metros this year.