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The Star:

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If Toronto builds Expo, will they come?
Toronto debates whether to bid on 2015 world's fair Some see event as irrelevant in age
of the Internet
Apr. 18, 2006. 05:30 AM
JOSEPH HALL
STAFF REPORTER

Is Toronto about to fish in a bygone era for the future of its waterfront?

With the city set to decide late next month whether to back a bid for the Expo 2015 world's fair, Toronto could soon be searching, yet again, for an international extravaganza to kick-start its port lands development.

But some experts say these international exhibitions, which date back to the middle of the 19th century, are anachronisms in this age of mass tourism and the Internet.

"Certainly there are lots of people who regard these events as anachronistic, as cultural dinosaurs ... as things that have outlived their usefulness," says Montana State University historian Robert Rydell, who has made a study of the 155-year-old world's fair movement.

The Paris-based Bureau International des Expositions will make a decision on the 2015 fair location in February 2008. To date, other cities expressing interest include Moscow, Rio de Janeiro and Izmir, Turkey. Toronto's bid would require some $2 billion backing from Ottawa, Queen's Park and the city.

Over the past 16 years, Toronto has unsuccessfully bid on two Summer Olympics — the 1996 and 2008 Games — and the Expo 2000 fair, as well as some more minor cultural and sporting events. The 2000 fair, which was awarded to the German city of Hanover, was widely considered an attendance and entertainment failure.

Expo expert Bruno Giberti has called the global exhibition passé in an age of instant information access and global travel.

"You have to ask yourself, who really needs a world's fair when you can look up the world on the Internet?" Giberti, an architectural historian at the California Polytechnic State University, told the Toronto Star in 2004.

"I do still see these fairs as passé," he said recently, "unless Toronto has somehow reimagined the event in some unanticipated way."

Giberti says international spectacles of all kinds have lost their appeal to many, especially in the United States, which would be relied on to provide millions of visitors to a Toronto fair.

"I think the declining interest, in the U.S. at least, in the Olympics is evidence of the way in which these kinds of international events have become obviated," he says.

The main thrust of Expos past has been to bring international technologies and cultures to people who, in all likelihood, would have had no other way of seeing them, Giberti says.

Rydell agrees that a daunting array of entertainment and information options has emerged to challenge the world's fair raison d'être.

On the other hand, he says, there's still a lot of life left in the concept.

One proof of life, he says, rests in the simple fact that some recent Expos have been enormously popular.

A small world's fair in Aichi, Japan last year, for example, was expected to draw 15 million visitors and ended up attracting almost 22 million.

"People were lined up for eight to 10 hours trying to get into the Expo grounds," says Rydell, who visited the fair. "And this in a high-wired, high-tech society if ever there was one."

He points out that the 1992 Expo in Seville, Spain drew 42 million people, while attendance projections for Expo 2010 in Shanghai are around the 75 million mark.

Expos, he says, have prospered almost everywhere but North America, where, after Montreal's iconic Expo '67, they have often been forgettable cultural and financial failures.

Lacklustre events in San Antonio, Spokane, Knoxville and New Orleans between 1968 and 1984 largely erased the world's fair allure established here by Montreal, which is often regarded as the century's best Expo.

Even Vancouver's popular Expo '86 — which drew more than 22 million visitors — failed to reignite interest on this continent, which has not held one in the ensuing two decades.

In other regions of the world, however, they've thrived, Rydell says.

A large part of this overseas success can be attributed to an innate desire to be part of the spectacle that events like a world's fair can provide.

"You can ask why anyone would (line up) in the 21st century when you can easily point and click," he says.

"But why do people go to baseball games? Why do people go to football games when they can turn on their television sets?"

The sights, smells and organized chaos of a fair still hold an allure for people, he says.

"There's still a kind of being-there-ness (attraction) of all of this that in some ways suggests we aren't as far removed from the 20th and even 19th century as we like to think we are," Rydell says.

As well, he says, an important goal of world's fairs since the 1880s has been the creation of new urban infrastructure — cultural, economic and physical — within the host cities.

That, he says, is still a legitimate and achievable purpose.

"Since the 1880s at least, world's fairs have been about building urban infrastructure, they've been about building museums," he says.

"And that's been pretty well-maintained through the 20th century as well."

Montreal's splendid subway system, a number of its major hotels and its international reputation can be traced back to the centennial year Expo.

Vancouver's Expo helped that city reclaim large tracts of its waterfront and left it with its popular Science World dome.

But Giberti says the goal of urban renewal — especially on derelict lands — should more legitimately be tied to ongoing city planning, rather than a one-shot Expo extravaganza.

"If urban renewal is the ambition, I can hardly believe that it's not more effective just to engage in that project than it is to use a world's fair as a lever."

Rydell also argues that fairs have often been showcases for new and innovative architecture, with Expo pavilions having represented some of the most striking design concepts of the 20th century.

But actual fair pavilions should not be counted on as a potential legacy, Rydell cautions.

Overwhelmingly meant to be temporary installations, the pavilions are almost invariably dismantled soon after the exhibition runs are completed, he says.

"The structures are intended to be ephemeral because of (upkeep) costs," he says.

In Montreal, for example, only the former French pavilion, now a casino, and the shell of the American pavilion, Buckminster Fuller's famed geodesic dome, remain on the actual Expo site.

Giberti, however, says the use of Expos to promote innovative architecture has been overtaken by a new push to build permanent, individual masterpieces into the fabric of urban centres.

This concept, first realized with architect Frank Gehry's Guggenheim Museum in Bilbao, Spain, has been copied in cities around the world.

Toronto is currently undergoing an architectural renascence of its own, with major renovations of the Royal Ontario Museum, the Art Gallery of Ontario (which Gehry designed) and other major cultural centres now under construction.

Giberti says the vast majority of Expos cost more than they bring in. But calculating the economic benefits cannot be limited solely to volume at the turnstile, Rydell says.

"Very few world's fairs over the years have been profitable in the sense that the people who have invested in them have made a significant return off the revenue intake," he says.

"But overwhelmingly, people who invest in these things make money from secondary (and) tertiary investments in transportation infrastructure, hotels, tourism and those types of things."

Surprisingly, Toronto has already benefited from long ago world's fair aspirations, says Keith Walden, a history professor at Peterborough's Trent University.

He says the city's old Industrial Exhibition, first held in 1879, had aspirations to become a world's fair and spawned a marked modernization of Toronto.

"It didn't hold a candle to the Parisian fairs, and certainly not to the 1893 Chicago fair," says Walden, whose book, Becoming Modern in Toronto, documents the changes brought here by the precursor to the Canadian National Exhibition.

"But Toronto had aspirations for greater things. As the 1893 Toronto program put it, `Not a world's fair, but nearly so.'"
 
"We talked about people, humanity, civil society, what makes Toronto different as a centre of foreign migration,"

We can do that at The Ex every summer. I'm not surprised senior BIE officials asked for something more "pointed". They want a successful fair to showcase not another waterfront renewal project.

If the city wants to showcase, spend the money at The Ex, which generates tens of thousands of visitors annual and its on the waterfront.

Go Izmir!!!
 
why would the provincial and federal government invest billions of dollars into a cotton candy carnival?
 
The Ex is a regional event, the expo is to draw tourists from abroad.
 
why would the provincial and federal government invest billions of dollars into a cotton candy carnival?

We ask questions like this then wonder why some other cities get more federal funds for special events. If Toronto fails to actually hold a special event we don't get special event funding.

Anyway, the short answer for the feds is that they're obligated to do so. Federal governments have helped fund Expos in Montreal and Vancouver, as well as Olympics in Calgary, Montreal and Vancouver.

The province really is obligated to do so as well if there is any momentum at the local level, otherwise they would not get re-elected.

The city wants to do it because they get some infrastructure in the portlands like sewer, watermain, land scaping and transit tracks out of the deal. The assumption is they can sell off the land for development shortly after the Expo ends.


Even if the Expo has a $1B direct loss on ticket sales, it could still save or earn significant funds in indirect revenues and savings.
 
The Ex is a regional event, the expo is to draw tourists from abroad.
Then say every five or ten years we make the CNE a national and international event with a theme or better something new and exciting to launch or show exclusive to Toronto or Canada.
I'm sure the return will be close to what we will get at Expo.

Any ideas for the first Toronto International Innovation and Idea Fair? What about setting up a biosphere dome and show how living on the moom or Mars would feel like. Or space launches, take a ride on a Canadian built orbiter and circle the world. Or new advanced tecniques in sustainable living, whatever, but it must be something new and innovative that will blow peoples minds away, receive international press coverage. Then watch the hordes of people coming to Toronto to see the new wonders of the world.
 
I believe Toronto can make World Expo's make a big turn for North America. It depends how they do it before and after. Portlands do need help, its ugly and with the Movie Studios moving in soon, it'll be interesting.

CNE is a cotton candy carnival, and look how many people it draws. I hate when it closes down, it should be open longer, like a month before it opens longer.

Toronto wants to show the world who we are and how we can do it, but I think we should show how multicultural our city is and show that we have people of all nations here and that we're all unified. If you want to visit a city of all cultures, its Toronto. Many don't know that, even some residents.
 
Has anybody else looked at the Expo 2015 site? Pretty lame.

www.expotoronto.ca/thesite-plan1.shtml

Under the information on Key Improvements for sites 1 and 2 (Toronto Island and the Ex), it says:

Subway link - building the downtown relief line - This would be a line that would start at Pape St. & Bloor heading south to Front Street and travel across to the site. The line could be closed off for exclusive use of Expo ticket holders for the duration of the fair.

Umm, It's Pape Ave. And on that side of the Don Valley, it's called Danforth Ave, Not Bloor.

I sent them a nice email informing them of it two weeks ago. No change on the site.
 
GregW:

Actually, here is the fine print on the site:

Legal Notice: This site is not an official city of Toronto website. None of the content presented represents the views of the City of Toronto or the BIE. The content contained is copyright by their respective creators. No content can be reproduced without the written consent of the website operator.

AoD
 
expotorontologo-lg.jpg


Could this be the worst logo ever?
 
Its not the official site (here is the official site www.tedco.ca/2015expo.html) or the official logo. As well, it talks about the site for the Expo being the CNE and the Island Airport (when in fact the city is talking about the Portlands). That first Expo site is not much more than a piece of creative fiction.
 
How very strange. I didn't just come across that site on my own - I followed a link from somewhere else - i think it was either the Star or Spacing... Odd.

Well, at least the other site seems much more professional!
 
WordExpo_ID.jpg


This image above is the temporary logo being used. A design team is working on the official Bid Logo to be released in June when the bid is officially launched.

The offical Expo website is:

www.tedco.ca/2015expo.html

Technical Studies Open House

I attend the Expo Technical Studies Open House, which was conveniently held at the Ryerson Student Centre yesterday.

For some odd reason, the staff there thought I worked for TEDCO? I thought that was kind of hilarious, but I seem to know more about the bid then all the consultants in the room.

Theme

I know many of you were complaining about the whole diversity and communications theme. If you didn’t take the time to attend one of the first series of consultations or simply submitted your ideas online, you have nothing to complain about. Overwhelming the theme of culture and communication was selected by participants, including myself.

Cultural Program

In my opinion, this is the exciting part of Expo, having the world’s best artistic and cultural performances taking place right in our own backyard.

Two amphitheatres, one permanent and one temporary would be built. The one that caught my eye is an inconic floating stage in the harbour positioned in a way that the Toronto skyline in the background would be the backdrop. It would be a memorable lasting image for visitors and the world’s media.

The opening and closing ceremonies are proposed for the Rogers Centre with a possible cultural parade along Queen’s Quay towards the Expo site to symbolically connect downtown and the Expo site together.

A daily parade down the “Plaza of Nations†and nightly fireworks are also proposed.

Social


Obviously listing the potential to create hundreds of thousands of new jobs and economic spin off from hosting Expo.

Strong emphasis to protect the city’s affordable housing stock and the inclusion of the city’s ethnic communities.

Environmental Management

A lot of talk of “green legacy†and sustainability. Funny, will the province tear down the Portlands Power Plant which will probably dominate over the site if it remains?

Site & Operations Plan

Renderings weren’t completed at the time, but will be ready in time for next week’s public consultations.

There was some rough concepts and proposed site plan.

The Portlands is the recommended site for Expo 2015. Downsview was ruled out and the dual Island Airport – Portlands option was deemed too costly, especially with an underground subway which would have cost $3.5 billion without any stations.

The new Commissioners Park would be located outside of the main entrance (smart idea) and the new Portlands Studio.

A temporary parking and bus lot of 5200 stalls would be built east of Commissioners Park on the future northward expansion of the Portlands Studios.

Many buildings would be temporary, however a few notable “Legacy buildings†would remain, including the Canadian Pavilion which will later become the United Nations University of Peace with a 500 seat theatre, a Native Centre, an Aquarium (long term naming rights would be pre-sold to sustain the facility), the Plaza of Nations with the Iconic floating stage.

A Gondola System is proposed with several stations. The system is proposed to encircle around the inner harbour around the iconic floating stage to give visitors a spectacular view of the skyline to the west. After speaking to the consultants, they suggested that the system could later be moved to the CNE/Ontario Place to connect the two sites together. Their eyes lit up when I told them I sat on the Board of Directors of the CNE and I would be thrilled to take it after they were done with it!

Finally, some sort of massive waterfront lighting beacon/tower is proposed at the end of the Plaza of Nations/Promenade.

They also sketched this idea for an underwater lighting scheme along the length of the Portlands Canal that would spell out a lit up TORONTO 2015 in the water with the wall of light reaching up into the sky. Something similar to what was proposed with Toronto’s Olympic Bid with the Olympic Rings lit up in the inner harbour.

Apparently the consultants working on this plan (Perkins Eastman Black, The Kirkland Partnerships), are the same ones working on the Expo 2010 site in Shanghai. They assured me that our proposal is at par and may even exceed the Shanghai plan.

Transportation

Underground subway is eliminated.

Queens Quay LRT built and extended to the gates of Expo.

Express buses from Pape, Chester, Broadview, and Castle Frank with some routes using new HOV lanes along the DVP down to the Portlands.

An Express LRT/Shuttle line from Union Station using the Lakeshore Rail Bed towards a new LRT/GO Station at Cherry and the Portlands.

New Ferry Service to Portlands.

I stressed the need for FREE use of the transportation system with the cost of the Expo ticket. I was told the TTC was working on it.

Developing Nations

Toronto to help 62 developing nations build temporary pavilions at Expo 2015.

Economic Feasibility


Basically we will be spending billions on Expo infrastructure, but we will be getting billions in return. Economic spin offs, jobs and tourism.

$7- 8 billion in total GDP Impact

$4- 5 billion on labour income

100,000 + jobs

Marketing

Number of projected visitors reduced from 72 million to 40 million visits (multiple visits).

Actual number of visitors: 21.5 million people (similar to Expo 2005 in Japan)

Majority of visitors are from Ontario/Canada (67%), Border States (26%) and International Visitors (7%)

Sponsorship

Bid Phase

“Expo 2015 Club†to be created to raise money for bid.

$5 million needed to be raised from corporations during bidding phase (a lot cheaper than $20 Olympic Bid)

Operation

Naming rights to major venues will be pre-sold to sustain future cost of running venues.

Example: Aquarium and Amphitheatre

Public Consultation and Engagement

I STRONGLY encourage you all to get involved in the consultation process. I would suspect that members of this forum would be the first one to have their voices heard.

If you are for or against an Expo bid, this proposal will occupy the city’s agenda for the next two years and possibility the next nine years if we win the bid. It will also be YOUR money that will be spent on the bid and the Expo infrastructure at least have a say on where it will be spent.

I know you all live busy lives, and we all can’t spend a few hours attending public meetings (250 people out of 2.5 million Toronto residents bothered to attend the first round of meetings or submit online comments).

Simply visiting the Expo 2015 consultation page

www.expo2015torontoconsults.ca/comments.php

and submitting your ideas or voicing your concerns DOES have an impact on the future of the city.

The next meetings will take place:

City-wide Public Workshop (I) NORTH * * * *
Thursday April 20
6:00pm - 9:30pm
North York Memorial Community Hall, Burgundy Room

5110 Yonge Street, Lower Level

City-wide Public Workshop (II) SOUTH * * * *
Monday April 24
6:00pm - 9:30pm * * * *
Harbourfront Centre, Brigantine Room

235 Queens Quay West

Louroz
 
FutureMayor, thanks for the info, I wanted to go to yesterdays but couldn't cause I had some things to attend. I'm going to try to go for the one at Harbourfront :)
 

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