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PinkLucy said:
They need to force quarantine people like this.
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The police could apprehend him and take him to a Quarantine Facility (do we even have any after the temporary Spring ones at CFB Trenton and Navcan Cornwall?) if they are directed to by 'screening officer' or 'quarantine officer' designated under the Act. I imagine they are safely in their homes.

They could also arrest him if they know he is violating an order and hold him for a bail hearing (Quarantine Act = summary conviction federal offence), but I'm unclear how they could satisfy themselves of the existence of the order and he would likely be quickly kicked loose anyway. I'm a little unclear on this aspect because the Quarantine Act is designated under the Contraventions Act, meaning the police can issue offence notices (like getting dinged for no lifejackets in your boat)
 
Much has changed though since the first March wave. That was the point in time that made me so angry because of the lack of leadership and utter mediocrity, glacial response, and inflexibility of our system and thinking. Since then however we have learned more and we are at a different stage: coping with covid before vaccination but after the delay containment would afford us to make improvements to our system.

The thing is Covid is not going away. We know that now. Containment holdouts like New Zealand, Taiwan etc. and to a less extent the Australian example in discussion here at some point are going to have to bite the bullet and open up and let it circulate in their communities. It’s frankly too soon for that and they have allowed themselves the luxury of choice on when to choose to bite that bullet. Even with vaccination community spread with hundreds or even thousands of annual deaths (like influenza) is conceivable moving forward.

Eradication is no longer the end game. Returning to a fully open society with acceptable levels of harm is the endgame
 
If this keeps up, then we would have to settle for non-physical trick-or-treating this Halloween.

At least this kind of trick-or-treating is approved by dentists.
 
Jasmine18 said:
Public tolerance for a hard lockdown is way less then Australia.

Canadians are not Americans but we are way into indvidualism then other nations.

A hard lockdown won't work in canada as we still have people traveling into the country freely and have far more community spread.

We would just being on and off lockdowns since April then.

Best we do targeted controls and keep it a manageable level.

Australia is looking to eradicate the virus.

Our goal is to keep deaths minimized.
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Australia is not officially pursuing an eradication strategy.... aggressive suppression which might eventually lead to eradication. We are not NZ which has far less tolerance than us for the virus: they are the epitome of an eradication strategy..... that's kind of failed for the same reason why Vic got a massive, wide community-spread second wave: hotel quarantine breaches.

WislaHD said:
It is a significant point though that eradicating the virus in an isolated nation like Australia is plausible, whereas we are in the unfortunate position of sharing a massive border with the United States and having a significant population of snowbirds having little regard for the virus and intending to travel to and from the States at will.
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With respect, I call bullshit on "eradication the virus in an isolated nation like Australia".... #1, see comment above, we are not pursuing an eradication strategy - we might get there, but there's a big difference. #2. You still have to use checkpoints to cross the land border with the US, correct? then it's no different to enforcing borders at airports - you can redirect people from those borders into quarantine (hey - granted, it'd be a bigger task but you're also 40-50% bigger than us in population [and therefore have the financial resources to do it]). People can't just willy-nilly meander across the border into Canada right? They can't here either.

TrickyRicky said:
Much has changed though since the first March wave. That was the point in time that made me so angry because of the lack of leadership and utter mediocrity, glacial response, and inflexibility of our system and thinking. Since then however we have learned more and we are at a different stage: coping with covid before vaccination but after the delay containment would afford us to make improvements to our system.

The thing is Covid is not going away. We know that now. Containment holdouts like New Zealand, Taiwan etc. and to a less extent the Australian example in discussion here at some point are going to have to bite the bullet and open up and let it circulate in their communities. It’s frankly too soon for that and they have allowed themselves the luxury of choice on when to choose to bite that bullet. Even with vaccination community spread with hundreds or even thousands of annual deaths (like influenza) is conceivable moving forward.

Eradication is no longer the end game. Returning to a fully open society with acceptable levels of harm is the endgame
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Containment or eradication, whatever you want to call it, Australia will probably open up with bubble partners... New Zealand, south pacific, select S.E. and East/North Asian countries which are in a similar boat. Likewise, the rapid testing will probably change things... i.e rolling it out at airports and denying boarding to anyone who tests positive will work both ways.
 
by the way, aggressive suppression: ringfencing/working hard to bring case numbers right down to levels that are manageable for contact tracing.

One of the key outcomes of the hotel quarantine debacle here has shone a spotlight on how inept our public health system has been in Victoria - no single person made the decision to run hotel quarantine in the way it was set up. It was outsourced to high heaven.

Likewise, through the second wave we've seen how insecure work is a real problem: people were actively choosing to go to work while having covid because they had no sick leave. Likewise, we had testing delays of 3-4 days 8 weeks ago and that prompted the state government to also pay casualised workers $400 to stay home while they get their test results (some covid positive people were again choosing to put food on the table rather than isolate).

So many aspects of how we've organised our societies and economies over the past 3 decades - along the Thatcher/Neo-liberal lines - has come unstuck and here we have a Labor party (that has previously been complicit in mass casualisation of work (casualisation of work = no leave whatsoever here) but is now thinking twice) that might acutally start advocating for undoing some of the damaging aspects of the pro-private sectorisation of the economy and government.

The inquiry for the hotel quarantine debacle has finished taking evidence and will report soon, but it's clear some of the first changes are going to be structuring public health at a regional and group-of-suburbs level so that individual contract tracing teams - who are locals and know the local are far better than a bunch of bureaucrats in a central office - can respond quicker. That's already been tested outside of Melbourne and will be rolled-out so that any new outbreaks, now that we have numbers so incredibly low, will be jumped upon and suppressed.
 
tayser said:
The inquiry for the hotel quarantine debacle has finished taking evidence and will report soon, but it's clear some of the first changes are going to be structuring public health at a regional and group-of-suburbs level so that individual contract tracing teams - who are locals and know the local are far better than a bunch of bureaucrats in a central office - can respond quicker. That's already been tested outside of Melbourne and will be rolled-out so that any new outbreaks, now that we have numbers so incredibly low, will be jumped upon and suppressed.
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Interesting - over here the province was musing centralization of public health to the provincial level early on in the pandemic.

Good point re: aggressive control vs eradication - it is a false premise that we can do without the former if we don’t see the latter as the end goal. Then again, our provincial government don’t seem to care that we can’t trace half the new cases here. It’s academic to talk about dealing with cross-border flow as a source of infection when we can’t even get local spread under control.

AoD
 
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Modelling released this morning on COVID projections for the second wave, here in Ontario.

Rather than lifting the images, as there are many, I recommend following Dr. Jennifer Kwan on Twitter, at the link below.

She is posting the presentation.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311309364834205698

Nothing too surprising.

Ranges and scenarios are offered as before.

Key to note, cases rising in all age demographics at this point.

Ontario 'new cases per day' on pace to double every 10-12 days.
 
Nearly one-third of all residents at a nursing home in the city’s west end have now tested positive for COVID-19, representing the single biggest outbreak in any Toronto long-term care facility in months.

The Ministry of Health says that 34 residents and eight staff members at the 108-bed Fairview Nursing Home near Dundas Street and Dufferin Street have now tested positive for the disease caused by the novel coronavirus.

https://www.cp24.com/news/nearly-on...ve-now-tested-positive-for-covid-19-1.5126568
 
tiffer24 said:
Nearly one-third of all residents at a nursing home in the city’s west end have now tested positive for COVID-19, representing the single biggest outbreak in any Toronto long-term care facility in months.

The Ministry of Health says that 34 residents and eight staff members at the 108-bed Fairview Nursing Home near Dundas Street and Dufferin Street have now tested positive for the disease caused by the novel coronavirus.

https://www.cp24.com/news/nearly-on...ve-now-tested-positive-for-covid-19-1.5126568
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WislaHD said:
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Who could have seen this coming???
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That iron wall our premier love touting that he built around the nursing homes? The best plan in Canada for schools? Whatever they are (and I am not sure what they are) - they turned out to be as effective as the Maginot Line. The most comprehensive plan, something something though.

AoD
 
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