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AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Actually DRL from Pape to Yonge would do almost nothing to relieve the latter line.
AoD
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Tulse
Senior Member
I thought that the DRL was mostly designed to shunt east-end riders away from B/Y. Where is the actual pressure on the system?
nfitz
Superstar
And yet TTC have shown otherwise. Pape to Yonge removes many of the people changing to Bloor to Yonge.
Though perhaps I misunderstand what you mean by "latter line".
Paleo
Active Member
Passenger volumes on the Eglinton to Bloor segment of Yonge is increasing due to population growth and development along Yonge (a couple percent annually) and in future, presumably new riders attracted to the service by the Eglinton LRT.
BurlOak
Senior Member
Moving riders away from the B/Y interchange will improve shorten the dwell time and increase the train frequency a bit - this is the main advantage of the Pape to Downtown section. It would still help the capacity of the Yonge line and could be a first phase. If the DRL is extended up to Eglinton/Don Mills, then actual people are taken off the Yonge line and this would further help Yonge.
BurlOak
Senior Member
How about at-grade and using the money to build the Finch East LRT (i.e. from Don Mills to Seneca to Finch Station to Finch West Station and connect in with the remainder of the Finch West LRT).
Those traveling to Yonge could either stay on LRT to Finch station or switch to the Sheppard subway via a somewhat difficult transfer. If Sheppard subway is converted to LRT, the Finch East could carry the traffic during construction.
If we want to built more transit for less money, this is a very expensive area where money may be saved.
kEiThZ
Superstar
If Eglinton is effective, then it might reduce the effectiveness of an eastern DRL. If I'm coming from STC and heading downtown, why would I transfer at Kennedy and transfer at Pape, when I can get on the Scarborough-Eglinton LRT and transfer at Yonge? It's one less transfer.
There might be a difference in time travelled. But will it be enough to convince people to transfer twice?
Ditto for anybody near the Eglinton LRT or bussing south towards Eglinton. Why would they go all the way to Danforth? That longer bus ride and extra transfer might not be worth the hassle. They might just get off at Eglinton and take the LRT and transfer at Yonge.
There might be a difference in time travelled. But will it be enough to convince people to transfer twice?
Ditto for anybody near the Eglinton LRT or bussing south towards Eglinton. Why would they go all the way to Danforth? That longer bus ride and extra transfer might not be worth the hassle. They might just get off at Eglinton and take the LRT and transfer at Yonge.
nfitz
Superstar
It's a valid point. If Eglinton is that successful, they may HAVE to push the DRL to Eglinton to get the impact they want. Not a biggie really, because the very high densities in Thornecliffe/Flemingdon more than justify a subway anway ... even the late 1960s expansion plans called for the DRL to be full subway from Eglinton to downtown.
Agreed ... Eglinton is going to pour a lot more riders onto the Yonge subway. We'll have all that excess capacity that the ATC project on Yonge creates taken up without even building to Richmond Hill.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Keithz:
A full DRL intercepting riders along Eglinton heading downtown (financial core) at say, Don Mills wouldn't suffer from this issue - which is why one can't stop building it halfway at Bloor. In addition, increasing YUS capacity doesn't really address the issue of single point failures in the current system - if it fails, it just fails in an even worse manner.
AoD
A full DRL intercepting riders along Eglinton heading downtown (financial core) at say, Don Mills wouldn't suffer from this issue - which is why one can't stop building it halfway at Bloor. In addition, increasing YUS capacity doesn't really address the issue of single point failures in the current system - if it fails, it just fails in an even worse manner.
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kkgg7
Banned
I respectfully disagree.
Yesterday I was taking the subway north bound during PM rush hours, and a third passengers got off at Bloor.
sixrings
Senior Member
maybe thats true but add in the additional riders from yonge development and the eglinton lrt and then the benefit is nuetral. also if yonge gets extended to highway 7 then its again worse for yonge riders. the drl needs to get to eglinton before we can think of the yonge extension. maybe both projects can be done in tandom.
Tulse
Senior Member
I agree with all the observations about increases from the Eglinton LRT and YUS extensions, and my preference would be to see the DRL go as far north as is reasonably useful. But is it nonetheless clear that a) a Danforth-to-Yonge segment would provide significant benefits on its own, and b) there is no way fiscally or politically that a DRL all the way to Eglinton could be built at one time -- it will of necessity need to be phased, and the section that should be phase one is Danforth-to-Yonge.
M II A II R II K
Senior Member
Of course a better used and integrated Stouffville Line can get Scarborough riders downtown bypassing the subway altogether, at least to get to the CBD.
uptownto
New Member
I like ideas like this. Seriously, someone who knows about this stuff please explain. Why can't the TTC have its own train that would run Kennedy to Union or Oriole to Union in between GO trains. Create separate platforms (even underground if necessary) and better integrate them to Kennedy St and Leslie St. If necessary even create a new platform just off of union station but connect it to PATH somehow.