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That's one big point I keep hammering on: Edmonton doesn't have necessarily more sketchy people than most places, they're just that much more visible for lack of "regular" people, for lack of a better term.
As foot traffic increases, this becomes less noticeable and the perception of safety improves.
I don't want to get tooooo ahead of myself here, but I think we might have underestimated the effect of LRT/downtown safety perception that the Valley Line will have. It's probably an unintended pro in my opinion.
They need signs at all the LRT Stations. Yesterday, I saw someone loiter at Bonnie Doon Station.
They really do! I would personally like to see more visible cameras (or hell even just say in big letters that this area is being monitored), or even an easier 3-4 digit number for transit safety. I think the proposed transit attendants would also be a big help, and I'd love to see them at the big major entrances to downtown stations.

Perception REALLY is everything, and I really do hope that some people out there in decision making roles can see and understand that.
 
That's one big point I keep hammering on: Edmonton doesn't have necessarily more sketchy people than most places, they're just that much more visible for lack of "regular" people, for lack of a better term.
As foot traffic increases, this becomes less noticeable and the perception of safety improves.
Good point. A big difference with some other cities our size and larger is we really only had one main LRT line running until a week ago (sorry Metro is still sort of a spur line). So with the new line adding service to all of the south east, it can add a lot of people and that will also benefit the existing line, as some of those people will transfer to go on that. So, our LRT will be busier overall with more regular people riding.
 
They are fewer and far between (thankfully, that's a trend towards the right direction), but these seem to be happening during off peak hours when there's less security presence involved.

I personally can't wait for all the bad Reddit/Tiktok hot takes on transit as a result. Frankly Reddit has started to reach Facebook levels of ridiculousness when it comes to this.
 
I went through Coliseum Station this past Friday on my way for some brewskies downtown with some friends. A side from a drunk/high girl following me up the escalator and trying to start a fight, it wasn't that bad... then I got to Central Station and made the mistake of trying to exit out onto 101 street by Bistro Praha. What a sad, disgusting scene the stairwell up to the street is. I'll never do that again
 
I just can’t believe that a multi billion dollar system with hundreds of thousands of weekly users isn’t being sorted with more urgency.

Imagine if this was a road, how quickly we’d seek to fix it if it consistently caused injuries and had major shutdowns every few days.
 
I went through Coliseum Station this past Friday on my way for some brewskies downtown with some friends. A side from a drunk/high girl following me up the escalator and trying to start a fight, it wasn't that bad... then I got to Central Station and made the mistake of trying to exit out onto 101 street by Bistro Praha. What a sad, disgusting scene the stairwell up to the street is. I'll never do that again
That stairwell is probably the worst one in the system, I've seen enough people loitering at that entrance over the last few months. I'm not sure why they haven't flagged that area for patrols more.
What I find irritating is how councillors and the Mayor keep saying how these incidences keep effecting the ‘perception of safety’ around transit. No, there is a *reality* problem with transit safety. It’s not just ‘in our heads’.
Unpopular take, but I actually I sort of agree with them. Statistically, things have been getting better incident wise. But that doesn't affect perception of LRT safety as much as these incidents do. Does that mean we don't do anything? Nope. We need to do more and invest more in security, safety, etc for transit. I'm all for increasing that and focusing more on that, but there is a disconnect after a while.

One example that I found of this was someone from the Western Standard (yes that Western Standard) coming here from Calgary trying to write and tweet a hit piece about our LRT, obviously based on the news reports and the perception from rural/suburban conservatives about transit. The end result was that it wasn't as bad as they expected and didn't really tweet more about it. (Weirdly enough, I think they mentioned it was better than the C-train but that's a different discussion altogether, and probably indicative that Calgary's issues will eclipse ours as their housing market shatters and increases.)

Peak hours in the weekdays, I've had no issues at all, and there's intense security at stations along that time and I don't feel anything weird. I mostly ride the trains off peak hours (so my experience is different than others, and others have different experiences which is par the course) and while there's been some issues I've noticed, it's still quite safe. Granted, I think they need to allocate more security and presence during off peak hours since that's when we seem to be getting these incidents. There really isn't as much enforcements on the weekends.

Perception does become reality though, and I think that's what needs to be understood by all parties. It's why turnstiles (while not really being that more effective tbh) should be put in for perception purposes rather than actual deterrence.
Is it time we look at having transit police like Vancouver does? That's two big incidences at Coliseum station within a month. Something has to give here at some point! Like, come on!
I'm all for it but you'll have to convince people that a property tax increase is needed for that.
 
I just can’t believe that a multi billion dollar system with hundreds of thousands of weekly users isn’t being sorted with more urgency.

Imagine if this was a road, how quickly we’d seek to fix it if it consistently caused injuries and had major shutdowns every few days.

You may be unhappy to know that Edmonton treats its roads equally. Things like potholes going unrepaired for months despite 311 reports and insurance claims abound. Remember when Low Level had that lane closure for an entire winter to do emergency repairs?

At this point, I'd say the issue of crime and security is a general one - see the recent lockdowns at WEM and Kingsway. Sourly, I think the Province is aggravating the issue by not offering help but blaming the City instead.
 
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You may be unhappy to know that Edmonton treats its roads equally. Things like potholes going unrepaired for months despite 311 reports and insurance claims abound. Remember when Low Level was shut down an entire winter without warning?

At this point, I'd say the issue of crime and security is a general one - see the recent lockdowns at WEM and Kingsway. Sourly, I think the Province is aggravating the issue by not offering help but blaming the City instead.
Nah that's definitely part of the province's strategy at this point. Calgary's been insane with the increase in crime and perception of crime as well, arguably worse than us.

It's what we get for having a government mostly composed of suburban and rural MLA's, some of whom are beholden to a rural right wing populist mantra. They literally don't care as much, you'd have to go straight to the Premier who, for all intents and purposes, is now slowly becoming the more moderate voice on her party.
 
Turnstiles/fare gates. Now. That is all.
Cartmell is proposing a pilot on December 12. It'd last for two years and involve two stations—one underground and one above ground.
 

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